Warfare & Tactics

And that would mean that the systems minmatar took with their investment in time and money ( or you didnt knew about the freightters full of ruptures and destroiers that were basically given for free to people run plexes durign the days just before FW changes?) would be just given to lazy that decided to bug out and hide before the patch.


The income from FW is NOT execuse for basically ZERO mobilization! The ammount of isk you need to be active in FW plex running is around 8-10 M isk per week. You can fill that with 1 hour of missions per month in high sec. So STOP MAKING EXCUSES!

This is actually how we're funded with donations from a few very generous people

Of course when/if those stop it's off doing lvl 1 missions and working our way up but we'll have a few more SP by that point so not terrible

I'd like to see a system where a particular class of ship is required to effectively plex certain levels of complex.
ie frigates for minors
cruisers for mediums
battlecruisers for majors.

And plexing with a class below the requirement adds a time modifier ... ie plexing a major with a frigate takes 3x as long as the BC that is optimum for it.

Add in the time countdown reset to neutral when nobody is in range of the button and I think this would help. (as well as making for some better targets in plex warfare)

I don't like your idea of multiple people getting a time bonus because too many game mechanics in eve already favour numbers over all - but I could see a boost for defensive plexing perhaps. How about you get a 1.5x decontest bonus for defensive plexing if there are no enemy pilots in system (representing the fact that its not strategically contested) ?

Yes, contract them to me in OMS.

But the problem isn't Fweddit. It's when Fweddit isn't on.

We need a FW parody song of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJWEXrykdQ

Why would anyone plexbear for Amarr even if there was a reset?

I need a vigil alt with about two days worth of training to solo pretty much any Amarr Plex, make billions and just biomass it once I lose interest and the standings are eternally messed up.

As Amarr, I'd probably need a bigger ship, requiring more SP, making the question if you want to mess up the standings beyond repair way more difficult, leaves me vulnerable to be caught at gatecamps or even requires *gasp* coordination. All these factors accumulate exponentionally.



The only people I can see having an interest in a reset or Systems flipping to Amarr again in a 'regular' manner would be Minmatar plexbears so they can farm offensively again. Looks like all the Incursion freeloaders went to Minmatar.

(And no - I've not been involved with either militia in three years with any alt - just thought about giving it a shot, but anticipated the current situation and abstained from it.)

It is not about game breaking isk, FW isk does not come from nowhere , it comes from other players.

Problem is that FW was ment to be WAR , but now it is just ISK FARM.

There is still no reason to PVP, but there is lot of reasons to farm easy isk.

We can as well end war and keep farming going on, make it even so that no one have right to kill farmers and maybe make those even invulnerable, and remove npc so those can farm with empty frigates, or maybe they should change it to be possible to use noob ship for farming. Difference now and after proposed change is marginal, no one would ever notice it.

First I am not sure the amarr plexers won't resusitate on their own. But if they are unable to resusitate themselves doing a reset will do nothing but feed the minmatar alt plexers.

If the mechanics are too lopsided ccp could consider the following that would help amarr:


1) Reduce the amount you make from missions to be on par with plexing. Right now mission running is the best isk maker. Even with no lp for defensive plexing minmatar might make enough isk overall by running missions and defensive plexing. For example if they can make 700 million isk per hour just running missions. It may be that they would only make 500 million isk per hour if they ran defensive plexes and missions. The time spent running the defensive plexing might still be justified to keep the the mission piggy bank going. As more and more people join minmatar just small percent of them occasionally running defensive plexes might be enough to preserve their isk faucet.

2) Because of what I describe above it may work if ccp made defensive plexing cost lp. So if minmatar want to defensive plex they would have to pay lp to get it to count toward decontesting a system. Thus that might push that lp scale in favor of the side that needs to win systems.

3) more drastically just remove defensive plexing altogether. Either defend the plex in pvp or you gradually lose your system.

4) remove the advantage minmatar have from rats.

5) make plexing a pvp game. Have timers count down when plexers are chased out. Notify militias when miltary complexes are attacked so they can defend them in pvp.

well. many realised that plexing is not worth the effort. Esp defensive plexing. Minmatar have a motivation to defensive plex, for amarr its just wasted time. (several well known reasons comming here together)

Some of us reduced plexing to all-offensive (those who want small group/solo pvp in plexes) while agreed to stop taking systems. You should have noticed that some systems went vulnerable in the last few days without any group effort to shoot the hub. Additionaly several uninteresting systems just flipped to minmatar since nobody wanted to defensive plex.


a reset would change nothing. Those who where in amarr FW to make isk or to have clean killboards already left/switched sides etc. Those who stayed are there for pvp (in one form or the other), simply don't care who is winning, have less and less interest in system control and have ISK income outside FW mechanics.

It's more just to refute those who seem to think that the claim "Amarr are losing" is an objectively correct statement. As far as I'm concerned, we're winning and having loads of fun while doing it. ISK efficiency isn't a perfect way to measure "winning", but how else do you measure it?

You certainly can't use simple kill:death ratios because they would be even less accurate given there would be no way to distinguish between an extremely valuable kill/death and an extremely invaluable kill/death. Trying to use warzone control as a standard as of late is a joke because it has very little to do with PVP (won't go so far as to say it has nothing to do with it because it does play a semi-important role sometimes).

Assuming both sides have an equal share of fun, the most accurate (although not perfect) mathematical way to determine who comes out on top in any given PVP engagement is isk efficiency. Regardless of how much you obsess over it or how little you care about it as a stat, you can't deny that it's the best thing we've got. Of course, some people will care a lot more than others, but anyone who says they don't care about isk efficiency at all may as well say they don't care about winning, and if you don't care about whether you win or not then you wouldn't actually be bothering with competing in the first place.

Also, on a side-note without getting into too many details, one inaccuracy is in it's portraying Caesar as a dictator while the Gauls still pose a threat. By the time Caesar had established himself as the sole authority in Rome, the Gauls had been defeated and subdued so Caesar as "emperor" would have never been worrying about the Gauls to begin with.