Warfare & Tactics

This coming from the person who was championing the notion of a CCP->Goon conspiracy at every level of game design and development.

Other than your rudeness, you make some good points.

Like I've said before, I enjoy throwing out ideas, and reading where the discussion goes from there.

The money at L5 is ridiculous. Basically, doing 10 L4 FW missions can net you 1.5B ISK. (Taking my own experience and profit, in to account, when spending 250K LP at T5 warzone control.) That's an amount of money that is out of line with even Incursions at their worst.

Maybe all that needs to be fixed are LP store payouts at the various control levels. So that T1 isn't so hopeless and expensive, and T5 isn't so ricidulously lucrative.

one thing that no one has mentioned yet either is that fact that FWEDDIT while has 600 members. The average skill points of those members is less than 5m. 90% of the corp was created within a week of when the new system was released.

No reason for FWEDDIT to plex a system and take it to have it retaken by overwhelming force the next day. Thus giving the minnies roughly 20b for taking it.

I am sure that Amarr will end up taking their systems back at some point but it wont be this week.

Wait till FWEDDIT has some skill points and are actually able to fight a more even ship fight. As it stands we run in with cruisers and below win a fight then they reship to BC. so we find something else to do.

no system reset is needed. Just going to take some time to get things working on Amarr side again.

Also someone said how little impact the goons made for FW. That is totally misunderstood on how that effected it. The entire Minnie side sat there for weeks with super cheap ships. For the same cost of a thrasher we are fighting against some form of faction frig. So we have been for weeks out shipped by people spending hte same amount as us but getting alot better ships.

that isnt a complaint its just explaining better how the goons effected the war. I personally enjoy it. i undock fly 2 jumps and am able to find a fight. thats alot better than flying 10 jumps and not seeing another soul like on the minnie side.

For how long I wonder



That should change as systems aren't important and that goes double for the plex in them.

Maybe and maybe not.

IMHO jumping to Caldari should probably mean going the whole hog and going to Black Rise.

No, we should not give the Amarr an inch. We should, and shall continue to eat them up until I get a nice shiny medal.

Huh? If Fweddit moves to Black Rise, they sure won't want to make Amarr LP out there; they'll be Caldari, making Caldari LP.

What's more interesting than this "fair point of discussion", for me, is why it's so fascinating a point of discussion for only Minmatar. I imagine the reasons are something like

1. We don't want Gallente ridings our LP coattails - they didn't earn it "like we did"!

2. We don't want Amarr to make any isk to fight us with. That's not their job! Their job is to provide us with farming opportunities, and with the EWAR nerf they should be able to do that in T1 frigs.

And apparently the Amarr-Caldari link is also troublesome for

3. We don't Amarr to escape to a 100 system (50 Caldari, 50 Gallente) battlefield that was designed for FW, that wasn't broken on day one, which still offers success through casual play (no "we can win this if only we work so hard and have so little fun that 0.0 sov wars really look much better in comparison" secret master plans), which still offers PvP funding even to brand-new players without alts. We've got a good LP fountain going here, why would these jerks want to enjoy Faction Warfare when they could just collaborate with us?

Same battlefield, same rat balance.....all too late now. Damage has been done although the minmitar claim it was all their brilliant "coordination" etc even though it's CCP design that makes the isk farmers controll where the pvper's dock.

And as for GF's .....lol, not content with huge Thrasher blobs they still use ecm boats in support despite a huge number advantage in my TZ

You are confusing plexing and occupancy with fighting. Plexing was a pve activity when caldari took all gallente space and CCP changed nothing in inferno to make plexing a pvp activity.

If you want amarr to plex make it a pvp activity. But when I have an hour or so to play eve I have a choice to make. I can spend that hour and easilly capture 6 minor plexes deep in minmatar space without any pvp, or I can maybe capture about 2 plexes and get allot of pvp. I almost always choose the latter. So do most amarr.

The answer for faction war remains the same. Make the occupancy war a pvp mechanic. 2 things have been mentioned that can likely do this. 1) have the timer start ticking down if you warp out after a wartarget lands on grid or on grid with your accell gate. 2) Notify the militias when plexes are taken.

I usually go in busy minmatar systems to plex. But even then most times no one will come to fight. Maybe people are docked up or whatever. I don't know. But I often don't even finish a minor plex if it seems no one is going to enter the plex to fight.

I know at any given time someone on the minmatar side would like to fight for a plex. But they simply don't know I am there. CCP needs to fix this.

Your spokesman for the State said so here.



I'm curious to know if WBR came over and joined you guys, would you welcome them with open arms and forgive them for the sake of "winning the war" ?

Can only hope your corporation leaves and is successful outside of factional warfare. Many have failed and few have survived and almost none bar 1 - 4 corporations have had success. The most successful X-factional warfare corporation is No Mercy. They even had tech moons in the north @ some point and lead a very successful pvp alliance (one of the best ingame @ the time).

The first to go are the pilots who need to be hand held and want things easy and are opposed to difficulty. They often account for 30 - 70% of a corporation. They tend to go back to milltia. Happened to Dark rising within a month of leaving. Also, not suprised to see them back in milltia lol.

If you don't get your corporation use to engaging in piracy and engagements in 0.0.

Not to mention making an income outside of factional warfare sources. Leaving can be a death nail lol. There's alot of fail atempt to learn from so Im sure future atempts will be different.