Wormholes

We just recently moved into a C5-C3 and started trying our hand at running C5 sites. We have 2 Revelations, 2 Archons and a Naglfar (the latter hasn't been used in sites since apparently it's not great..?) The current method is like this:

1) Warp in Archon #1, triage.
2) Warp in Rapier; Archon #1 locks up Rapier and starts remote armor reps.
3) Warp in Revelation #1, siege.
4) Start popping the Guardians with the Rev #1 until there's maybe 4 (out of 12) left.
5) Warp in Rev #2.
6) Kill Sleepless Guardians until there's a few left.
7) Warp in Archon #2, no triage
8) Kill all Guardians with the Revelations, take care of all but one Sleeper ships in the first wave to keep the site alive, salvage, profit.

Problem: the Rapier pilot stays neuted dry for most of the time we're running sites, and the energy transfers from the carriers don't help very much because apparently they fill up the Rapier's capacitor fully, but it's back at 0 pretty much instantly, which makes it difficult for him to keep up the web and target painter cycles. It's obvious when the Rapier pilot struggles with cap because the dreads' performance noticeably decreases (especially annoying with only a single dread on the field, the DPS starts dropping quite a bit...).

Should the Rapier pilot start trying to get out of Sleepless Guardians' neut range (while remaining in Archon's rep range)? Worried that this may affect the Rev's damage output in case it gets primaried by Guardians' DPS *and* neuts, and doesn't get a break long enough that it has to come out of siege to get reps/transfers from the carrier.

Should the Rapier nos the carrier? Seems dangerous because of aggression (yes, cowardly, but oh well...)

Am I missing something obvious here..?

Thank you!

Damn, did not know that Science and Trade Institute now live in a class 5 system. Impressive.

1. dont triage. you dont need it if youre decently fit. this makes handling cap easier since the RR goes of half as often. now you can use that cap to put a 2nd energy transfer on the webbing ship. make sure the 2nd transfer doesnt start untill the 1st has completed half a cycle. twice as much cap
2. use a loki instead of rapier. they can take more pounding and are more easily kept up.
3. use skirmish mindlink to give the loki the needed range
4. practice practice practice. eventually youll only have to pop 2-3 sleeper bs before you can start getting the 2nd dread in.
5. DO NOT MOVE YOU WEBBER AWAY FROM THE CAPS. the webbing ship will most often be the primary. this will mean that the battleships will get into optimal relative to the webber. with dreads having optimal damage around 30 k, you dont want them to take optimal on a ship that is 40k away. and they will move to your webber. Keep the webber close to your dreads and carrier so it drags sleepers in the top dmg optimal of your dreadnaughts

ps. a 3rd dread never ever hurts. so warp the nag in. its vertical so you get cookies for it

just add a scorpion in from what ive heard and read sleepers seem to HATE ecm so that takes all the aggro while your webbing ship is unmolested

So is the reason the scorpion a waste of a ship the fact that it doesnt put out a reasonable amount of damage?
i genuinely want to know for future forays into c5/c6 space and most of what i had read was in favor of using a scorp as an aggro-magnet so to speak

Pray to Skadi. ;)

it's a waste of a ship because youre trying to fill a role that doesnt need filling.
tank on the loki is never, ever an issue and the capitals can take care of themselves so theyre's no point in worrying or caring about what the sleepers are shooting.
in fact, the best possible outcome is that they shoot the loki the entire time.

you can bring a damnation on the field if its the ship running skirmish mindlinks. you need it in fleet anyway, has massive tank and excellent resis, and you can easily throw 1 ecm mod on it for good grace and so it gets aggro. this works rather well, usually getting a huge portion of the dps

on the other hand. the loki can handle it as well. it was fun experimenting with the on field damnation, but in the end the advantage wasnt that big. so i cant be bothered anymore

not really a matter of experience. you got 2 reps. cycle them on different points and youre fine. when going into triage you have to manage your cap since the cycle times get halved. i find it a lot easier not to triage then to go into triage

You shouldn't need to move aggro, nor should you need to triage really.

Should you feel the need to move the aggro, your non-triaged carrier should drop some light ECM drones and set them to assist someone (so you don't have to lock a sleeper)

This will bring aggro to your carrier, without the need for a friggin scorp.