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Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-10 13:03:50 UTC
So just got back into the game after a year's absence. It's a great game in that it keeps drawing me back year after year. Anyway, went to flip some cans last night and the first one I flipped resulted in a nice red mining target. I pop it and then look at the pilot info. Poor bastard was only ten days old.

This was in Tasabeshi which is a 0.8 system and a little ways off the beaten path. I know I am not supposed to kill newbs so is there any list I can reference which shows the newb systems?

Thanks in advance,

Auar
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2012-07-10 13:05:47 UTC
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#3 - 2012-07-10 13:28:50 UTC
All you did was liberate someone from the drudgery of mining! Send the poor sod a frigate for fighting back. He'll thank you later, I'm sure.

As for being in trouble? As long as you don't do that stuff in the systems named in StoneCold's linky you'll be fine.
Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-10 13:39:53 UTC
Thank you for the link. That is excellent. Turns out all I did was teach a new player the hazards that a life of mining will bring. I feel much better about the encounter now.

Auar
Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#5 - 2012-07-10 14:30:10 UTC
Yes you've been a very naughty boy.

*goes to get my whip*

This could be fun.
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#6 - 2012-07-10 14:42:00 UTC
You sir an ebul pie rat.

Leave the poor pies alone!
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-10 14:54:48 UTC
Tauren Tom wrote:
You sir an ebul pie rat.

Leave the poor pies alone!


Apologies if I made it seem like i didn't know I was evil. I was not inquiring about the state of my soul, just the risk of CCP intervention.

Thank you though,

Auar
Dusenman
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#8 - 2012-07-10 15:32:08 UTC
Well his ship is a pile of scrap metal and you still have your pilots license so I would say the law has looked the other way.

GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.

CCP Tallest_: _And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#9 - 2012-07-10 23:08:51 UTC
Auar wrote:
So just got back into the game after a year's absence. It's a great game in that it keeps drawing me back year after year. Anyway, went to flip some cans last night and the first one I flipped resulted in a nice red mining target. I pop it and then look at the pilot info. Poor bastard was only ten days old.

This was in Tasabeshi which is a 0.8 system and a little ways off the beaten path. I know I am not supposed to kill newbs so is there any list I can reference which shows the newb systems?

Thanks in advance,

Auar

Yes your in trouble please wire me 100 mil i will clear your name post haste sir.
Boomhaur
#10 - 2012-07-11 06:55:59 UTC
Auar wrote:
Tauren Tom wrote:
You sir an ebul pie rat.

Leave the poor pies alone!


Apologies if I made it seem like i didn't know I was evil. I was not inquiring about the state of my soul, just the risk of CCP intervention.

Thank you though,

Auar


You are a Eve player your soul holds no value as we are all evil sick sadistic bastards did you not get the memo. Heck even our carebears are too hardcore to play WoW,.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#11 - 2012-07-12 10:31:34 UTC
If it's not a 1.0 system with an academy that issues training missions in it then you're in the clear. 0.8 = too bad for him, shoulda looked up the dangers of mining with google or something.
Kristil Lorenso Kristil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-12 16:59:52 UTC
Noob qeustion -

If someone steals my stuff i become red to him or there was something else. I mean how did you manage to get miner agro you by mining? Shocked
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#13 - 2012-07-12 17:01:36 UTC
Kristil Lorenso Kristil wrote:
Noob qeustion -

If someone steals my stuff i become red to him or there was something else. I mean how did you manage to get miner agro you by mining? Shocked



If I steal from your can, the following applies:
I become 'red' to you.
You do NOT become red to me.

If you take it upon yourself to then shoot at me, you become red to me and I can retaliate.

If you do not shoot me, nothing happens, I go back to station and sell what I stole.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#14 - 2012-07-12 21:49:42 UTC
Kristil Lorenso Kristil wrote:
Noob qeustion -

If someone steals my stuff i become red to him or there was something else. I mean how did you manage to get miner agro you by mining? Shocked



You put his apparent "stuff" into your container, Making it your "stuff" kinda, Then he takes it back, because he thinks its his. Which will make him flashy red, because he stole your stuff that he thought was his.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-07-12 22:54:25 UTC
Boomhaur wrote:

You are a Eve player your soul holds no value as we are all evil sick sadistic bastards did you not get the memo. Heck even our carebears are too hardcore to play WoW,.



You sir owe me a new keyboard, and prolly a few new nose hairs as my hot coffee made its way out of my nose forcefully.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#16 - 2012-07-12 23:10:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Lost Greybeard wrote:
If it's not a 1.0 system with an academy that issues training missions in it then you're in the clear. 0.8 = too bad for him, shoulda looked up the dangers of mining with google or something.

This isn't true anymore. Recently they extended this policy to cover Arnon, which is a 0.6 system bordering lowsec that is a regional trade hub as well as a CBD mission hub and has 20 asteroid belts that contain the best quality ore you can find in highsec. Additionally Senior GM Homonia mentioned that they intend to expand the rookie system rules to cover 17 additional systems including Hek, another system that borders lowsec and is a Minmatar L4 mission hub and Hatakani which is a caldari l3/4 hub.

So enjoy having a large number of high population, non-rookie systems in which there is a blanket ban on shooting people.
Boomhaur
#17 - 2012-07-13 02:20:26 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Lost Greybeard wrote:
If it's not a 1.0 system with an academy that issues training missions in it then you're in the clear. 0.8 = too bad for him, shoulda looked up the dangers of mining with google or something.

This isn't true anymore. Recently they extended this policy to cover Arnon, which is a 0.6 system bordering lowsec that is a regional trade hub as well as a CBD mission hub and has 20 asteroid belts that contain the best quality ore you can find in highsec. Additionally Senior GM Homonia mentioned that they intend to expand the rookie system rules to cover 17 additional systems including Hek, another system that borders lowsec and is a Minmatar L4 mission hub and Hatakani which is a caldari l3/4 hub.

So enjoy having a large number of high population, non-rookie systems in which there is a blanket ban on shooting people.


Even if they ever did apply those rules it would only apply to noobs. That 3yr old carebear is still free game, he is not safe ANYWHERE when he undocks. Rookie systems are just that they are meant to protect noobs, older players hiding there are still free game as far as I am concern. All it means is it's more entertaining when they think your an evil griefer and trash talk you after ganking them and make a pointless and invalid petition afterwards.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-07-13 04:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I don't think you're familiar with how rookie system rules are enforced. They are applied as a blanket ban on literally any non-war related PVP activity in any system that is denoted as a rookie system regardless of the age of the characters involved. If you don't believe me file a petition asking about it yourself, the response you will get is "There is currently a blanket ban of XYZ activity in a rookie system regardless of the characters invovled" or words to that effect.

You might think that the older players there are fair game, and it might be the case that they should be fair game. But given how the rules are currently, and particularly considering that they're enforced without a single shred of human judgement being involved because the GMs are abject morons you're probably actually more likely to receive some kind of infraction for screwing with an older player who knows that you're not allowed to mess with people in system X and knows where the report button is than a newbie who assumes that getting blown up is par for the course.
Boomhaur
#19 - 2012-07-13 21:58:44 UTC
I looked into it further I know there is a blanket ban on any and all can flipping in rookie systems. Though from the GM posts I read it sounded like that was the extent of protection non rookies got there. Sounds like something I should look into more as there is a bit of confusion even from the posts and entire forum topic which the GM posted on this subject. Don't have a link sadly as I found it late last night on my phone so I can't post it sadly.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-07-16 17:59:04 UTC
Kristil Lorenso Kristil wrote:
Noob qeustion -

If someone steals my stuff i become red to him or there was something else. I mean how did you manage to get miner agro you by mining? Shocked


Just to be clear, there are two ways for a miner to become red to a can flipper.

1. Shoot at the flashing red can flipper. This includes attacking with drones, scrambling, etc.

2. Take back what is rightfully theirs. Taking the ore out of the flipper's can. That is stealing!

In this particular scenario the miner tried to take his ore back. He must have ignored the warning that he was stealing from me or didn't care about the warning. There is a chance he thought he could grab and dash if he knew enough about the game mechanics, but at ten days I doubt he even considered it.

Concerning the grab and dash. Don't try it. He wouldn't have got away...

Auar
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