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[Video] Rebirth 4 (Empire PVP)

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#41 - 2012-07-11 16:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
ArmyOfMe wrote:
quick question, do you guys take contracts in low sec?Pirate


Yes we do. Didn't you see the low sec fight in my Megathron in the movie?

It was on a contract.

Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
Nightmare, if nano is so easy, please come down to low/null sec and record a video doing so. Controlling range is NOT easy, unless if you burn/align in a straight line and rely on someone else to point things. Dipping in and out of disruptor range is actually pretty difficult.


I'm not a solo PVP'er and i will most likely never be that either. It's not my type of playstyle.

Nah, having control of your distance isn't that hard if you knows exactly what you are doing and if you are experienced. In the same ways as we knows exactly what we are doing by having very few losses.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-07-11 17:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoarr
I was going to come in here and offer you some constructive criticism about how RR-BS is boring as **** to watch even though it might take some technical proficiency to pull off, which makes it a very poor subject for videos, but then you went and said this:

NightmareX wrote:

Sitting still and pressing F1-F3 is as fun as watching a 1 vs 1 fight where the guy who are frapsing are in a nano ships and controlling the range with no risks. It's the same with 0.0 space / low sec fights where someone is hotdropping some carriers (used as a logistic) into a mid size battle in 0.0 space / low sec at a station.

Those types of movies as i'm talking about is as fun to watch as it's fun to watch a tree grow.


and this:

NightmareX wrote:
Nah, having control of your distance isn't that hard if you knows exactly what you are doing and if you are experienced. In the same ways as we knows exactly what we are doing by having very few losses.


It's clear that you're HILARIOUSLY delusional about your own skill, the content of your video and the ability of others. You're a quintessential example of the annoying dude who says, "I could do it better than you can if I only knew how to do it!"

People here, in these forums, enjoy watching videos where the odds are CLEARLY stacked against the protagonist. No one cares about blobbing. If they wanted to blob, they'd just log on to TQ and do that. People enjoy watching stuff that they couldn't pull off themselves. This means fighting against people that are at LEAST 4, 5, 6 or more times the size of your gang.

As far as BS pvp is concerned, really the only well received one that I've seen was Kovorix's Mael at the end of Everlasting II. That was only because he was in a tandem taking on an entire 20 man camp.

This is all besides the point though. The point is that you've posted your video here, asked people what they thought of it, and then people tried to tell you that you didn't like it, you became very defensive. Here's a summation of the collective verdicts so far. You are clearly a talented video editor. From a technical standpoint, the video was very well made. The content however was boring to people.

If you want to release videos that will be better received, you either need to change your content or change your audience. There is NOTHING wrong with releasing videos for your own alliance that show some of their past victories. Since they were involved in the fight, they have more of a connection with the content and will enjoy it more. If, however, you want to release videos to the greater EvE public, you need to either change the content of your videos, or accept the fact that the vast majority of people won't like your videos and move on with it. It's completely OK to release a video with a niche audience in mind. Just don't try to release it to the greater public and expect it to be a huge hit.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#43 - 2012-07-11 17:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Hoarr wrote:
I was going to come in here and offer you some constructive criticism about how RR-BS is boring as **** to watch even though it might take some technical proficiency to pull off, which makes it a very poor subject for videos, but then you went and said this:

NightmareX wrote:

Sitting still and pressing F1-F3 is as fun as watching a 1 vs 1 fight where the guy who are frapsing are in a nano ships and controlling the range with no risks. It's the same with 0.0 space / low sec fights where someone is hotdropping some carriers (used as a logistic) into a mid size battle in 0.0 space / low sec at a station.

Those types of movies as i'm talking about is as fun to watch as it's fun to watch a tree grow.


and this:

NightmareX wrote:
Nah, having control of your distance isn't that hard if you knows exactly what you are doing and if you are experienced. In the same ways as we knows exactly what we are doing by having very few losses.


It's clear that you're HILARIOUSLY delusional about your own skill, the content of your video and the ability of others. You're a quintessential example of the annoying dude who says, "I could do it better than you can if I only knew how to do it!"

People here, in these forums, enjoy watching videos where the odds are CLEARLY stacked against the protagonist. No one cares about blobbing. If they wanted to blob, they'd just log on to TQ and do that. People enjoy watching stuff that they couldn't pull off themselves. This means fighting against people that are at LEAST 4, 5, 6 or more times the size of your gang.

As far as BS pvp is concerned, really the only well received one that I've seen was Kovorix's Mael at the end of Everlasting II. That was only because he was in a tandem taking on an entire 20 man camp.

This is all besides the point though. The point is that you've posted your video here, asked people what they thought of it, and then people tried to tell you that you didn't like it, you became very defensive. Here's a summation of the collective verdicts so far. You are clearly a talented video editor. From a technical standpoint, the video was very well made. The content however was boring to people.

If you want to release videos that will be better received, you either need to change your content or change your audience. There is NOTHING wrong with releasing videos for your own alliance that show some of their past victories. Since they were involved in the fight, they have more of a connection with the content and will enjoy it more. If, however, you want to release videos to the greater EvE public, you need to either change the content of your videos, or accept the fact that the vast majority of people won't like your videos and move on with it. It's completely OK to release a video with a niche audience in mind. Just don't try to release it to the greater public and expect it to be a huge hit.


I'm not talking about what need most skills to do, i'm talking about footages of a nanoship orbiting and controlling the range of some battleships is very boring to see, because those fights ends in the same way as always, that the nanoship wins over them.

This is not about me doing things better than others. It's about doing a good job against what we are fighting, even outnumbered.

The thing about my defensiveness here is manly because of the attitude of some peoples have over empire PVP movies the last 3-4 years. I KNOW someone will bash an empire PVP movie no matter what, just because it contains station fighting and many logistics.

They simply don't care about how the fights really is, because the station fights and logistics is destroying the movie for them anyways. So like i said, they will whine no matter what.

And therefor, i'm more defensive against those who just bash a movie without taking into consideration what kind of movie we are talking about. And what kind of playstyle we use.

90% of all movies on this forum are 0.0 space fights. Peoples are very used to those types of videos and are not used to see empire PVP movies and will criticise those just because they are TOTALLY different than 0.0 space / low sec movies.

And the fact that it's very rate to come over good fights in empire, then i actually see the fights in my movie for very good coming from empire fighting.

How often have you seen such fights from empire the last 2-3 years?

Exactly. I have a good point in what i'm telling here.

Just because empire PVP movies isn't your taste doesn't means it's a bad movie for many others.

And like i also said earlier, 95% of all of those who are posting in the topics under the 'My EVE' section are 0.0 space players or low sec gankers.

How many do you see in any of the movie topics that is actually living in empire and are doing their PVP business'es in empire nowdays?

I can count that on one hand. That's how few empire PVP players there really is in those topics giving replies.

And it's not a secret that most peoples that are opening this topic and reads it that won't give a reply. My topic now have 800+ views while i only have 43 replies. How many of those do you think is hating my movie or loving my movie?

It's hard to say. So even if you don't like the movie i'm fine with that, but you don't speak for the big majority in EVE.

I would rather see replies from other empire PVP'ers that do PVP everyday in empire on how they looks at my movie.

Then i'm pretty sure that my standard when it comes to empire PVP movie is quite high.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#44 - 2012-07-11 17:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Gonna write this in a seperate reply.

Just because you whine so much. How do you really expect us to fight in empire when it's hard enough to just get a good fight to begin with?

We can't just ask the war targets to move out of station or away from the gates and fight us just because i have to please some empire PVP haters on a forum.

We fight like we do in empire like you 0.0 space / low sec players fights with blobs and *****.

So i really want to know how you would fight in empire.

Would you just stop using carriers in a fight just because most of us thinks carrier blobbing is boring as hell?

Hell no, you would never do that. And guess what?

I accept that you wouldn't do that because it's your playstyle and i accept that you would make a movie out of it to. I accept it because of how 0.0 space is, so even when i hate carrier blobbing, i will accept that you use it in a movie because of how 0.0 space is.

And it's the same way here. Peoples should accept the empire PVP style and take into consideration on how empire PVP really is today and how we fights there. It's about impossible to just change on our style just because my / our PVP style doesn't suits your needs.

And you can be damn sure that i won't bend over to some few empire PVP haters.

Again, this is an empire PVP movie, so you CAN'T expect the same type of PVP action that is from a pro PVPer doing their things in 0.0 / low sec space.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-07-11 17:59:29 UTC
Ugh. Fine, it seems like this can only be solved by captain caps lock cruise control. WE AREN'T CRITICIZING YOUR FIGHTING, WE'RE SAYING IT'S BORING TO WATCH. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

As far as nullsec blobbing is concerned, no one enjoys watching videos of it aside from the alliances involved (unless there are some really funny coms or something). Can you point to a single video on here that glorifies blobbing and isn't about a minute long? I sure as sh*t can't.
Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-07-11 18:04:17 UTC
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-07-11 18:38:58 UTC
oh look, another terrible vid of NightmareX where he goes on and flames everyone who didnt like it lmao

go on dude, and tell us more how you are 1337 pr0 at station hugging


just kidding, you should stop posting forever
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#48 - 2012-07-11 18:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Hoarr wrote:
Ugh. Fine, it seems like this can only be solved by captain caps lock cruise control. WE AREN'T CRITICIZING YOUR FIGHTING, WE'RE SAYING IT'S BORING TO WATCH. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

As far as nullsec blobbing is concerned, no one enjoys watching videos of it aside from the alliances involved (unless there are some really funny coms or something). Can you point to a single video on here that glorifies blobbing and isn't about a minute long? I sure as sh*t can't.


If my movie is boring to watch, then i'm affraid that empire PVP never will be fun to watch for you guys no matter what.

See where this is going?

Do you see now why i try to get more peoples to accept the style of PVP we do in empire?

Jack bubu wrote:
oh look, another terrible vid of NightmareX where he goes on and flames everyone who didnt like it lmao

go on dude, and tell us more how you are 1337 pr0 at station hugging


just kidding, you should stop posting forever


Says the pro capital ship blobber from PL. Sorry, i just had to say it Blink.

But, cool story bro Lol

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#49 - 2012-07-11 20:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ArmyOfMe
NightmareX wrote:

If my movie is boring to watch, then i'm affraid that empire PVP never will be fun to watch for you guys no matter what.

See where this is going?

Actually, ive seen plenty of good empire pvp movies over the years, and you know what they all had in common? No freaking neutral RR.

And the fact that you state that this is the only way to do empire wars, clearly show how wrong you are.
You wont find a single time the last few months where we have flown with logis in the gang (or neutral rr for that matter)

Your problem is that to you guys, risking your ships is actually such a dreadfull thought. That again leads to gangs where u cant lose, wich is why your movies are boring to watch.
Sadly, though everyone here has been trying to tell you this in all sorts of manner, it just seems you cant grasp the concept of solo pvp or any sort of pvp with risk in it.

I guess thats why you allways spent more time on sisi then on tq in the past.

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Xanral
Ajo Heavy Industries
#50 - 2012-07-11 20:10:31 UTC
Before I comment further, this isn't my cup of tea. I hope that you will not disregard what I'm saying because of that though.

I know some people who do enjoy this style of PvP so I'm going to make some suggestions based on that:
- add an ISK destroyed/lost section in the after action screen
- add in a little more description at the beginning of how the fight started if it was missed with FRAPS
- divide the info box up; left side fighting ships, right side logi
- leave the info screen up with the ships until you have something else to show, there is no need for a blank box
- provide information mid fight that might build tension in the situation
- after providing that information switch the info box back to showing the ships involved and update it as ships leave/join the fray

I think you're providing only some of the information your core viewers would want to have because you've followed a presentation template built for a different audience.

The Rooks and Kings series of video series is an example where they can take an interesting collection of fights and make them amazing by providing context, detailing information on the important bits, and excellent storytelling. If it was just the fights in a vacuum I'd probably find it much less entertaining.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#51 - 2012-07-11 20:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Xanral wrote:
Before I comment further, this isn't my cup of tea. I hope that you will not disregard what I'm saying because of that though.

I know some people who do enjoy this style of PvP so I'm going to make some suggestions based on that:
- add an ISK destroyed/lost section in the after action screen
- add in a little more description at the beginning of how the fight started if it was missed with FRAPS
- divide the info box up; left side fighting ships, right side logi
- leave the info screen up with the ships until you have something else to show, there is no need for a blank box
- provide information mid fight that might build tension in the situation
- after providing that information switch the info box back to showing the ships involved and update it as ships leave/join the fray

I think you're providing only some of the information your core viewers would want to have because you've followed a presentation template built for a different audience.

The Rooks and Kings series of video series is an example where they can take an interesting collection of fights and make them amazing by providing context, detailing information on the important bits, and excellent storytelling. If it was just the fights in a vacuum I'd probably find it much less entertaining.


Thank you. This is something i like to see posted Big smile.

Will take this into consideration on my next movie.

ArmyOfMe wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

If my movie is boring to watch, then i'm affraid that empire PVP never will be fun to watch for you guys no matter what.

See where this is going?

Actually, ive seen plenty of good empire pvp movies over the years, and you know what they all had in common? No freaking neutral RR.

And the fact that you state that this is the only way to do empire wars, clearly show how wrong you are.
You wont find a single time the last few months where we have flown with logis in the gang (or neutral rr for that matter)

Your problem is that to you guys, risking your ships is actually such a dreadfull thought. That again leads to gangs where u cant lose, wich is why your movies are boring to watch.
Sadly, though everyone here has been trying to tell you this in all sorts of manner, it just seems you cant grasp the concept of solo pvp or any sort of pvp with risk in it.

I guess thats why you allways spent more time on sisi then on tq in the past.


Oh, so what other ways can you do to do empire PVP today?

If you don't fight them at the stations or gates, they will simply not fight. So what you see from my movie is how empire PVP is today.

And those fights in empire you are talking about had tons of RR's on their BS'es some years ago, so no matter how you look at it, RR's are used.

And lol, i haven't been on sisi for like a year now. Where have you been the last year?

Under a rock Lol?

Oh, about our fleets. Take for example the last fight in a Dominix. What do you think would happen if the Blackbird had jammed most of our Logis?

It's alot of risk bro.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
#52 - 2012-07-11 20:51:34 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
If my movie is boring to watch, then i'm affraid that empire PVP never will be fun to watch for you guys no matter what.

See where this is going?

Do you see now why i try to get more peoples to accept the style of PVP we do in empire?


You are too much. How you did you not see this coming? Watching you sit still and press F1 is as boring as it gets...

I will take a minute to expand here.

Midscale pvp, low/null/high all included, is boring in videos I think. Don showed us that small gang (I mean a handful of pilots) pvp can be very interesting in a video, But as the gang sizes increase, there is a disconnect that occurs as a viewer. You can only experience so much of any given fight from the view of one pilot. It becomes harder to get a grasp of the overall fight that is happening and any significance the fight once had begins to drift away. Now in your video(s) you have coupled this with absolutely zero piloting on your part other than pressing F1 when (we assume haha) you get a new primary, it leads to complete snoozefest.

Now, to be a decent person, and give you serious feedback.

The only way your pvp is going to work in a video is approach it from a cinematic standpoint. You have shown us you can rehash After Effects tutorials with moderate success in your intro. Use 'ability' to give us a hybrid video. Alternating between your perspective, cinematic shots OF THE ACTUAL FIGHT (no BS here), and narratives of your dec's, contracts etc mixed in. It doesn't have to be narrated, but that would add to it. +1 for coms (lol) as well. Taking this approaching you could feasibly come up with a decent video, that is enjoyable, and may give you a shot at conveying to us what you find so interesting about this type of pvp.

Good luck

P.S. You are a terrible poster.
Prozacxx
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#53 - 2012-07-11 20:52:34 UTC
Ye u ****** what if that blackbird make jam lol?
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#54 - 2012-07-11 20:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Prozacxx wrote:
Ye u ****** what if that blackbird make jam lol?


Yeah, it's painfull to get jammed ya know Blink

Zach, you still know that empire PVP can't be done in a better way as the current mechanics are today?

Same as the 0.0 space cap ship blobbfaggorty can't be changed now because of how the 0.0 space mechanics are today.

EDIT: About the recording of our comms or using more like a commentary to some point is something many of our friends ingame and my alliance mates have told me to use because it would make things quite alot better.

So i might use more time on that on my next video if i can get it done right.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#55 - 2012-07-11 21:33:42 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Prozacxx wrote:
Ye u ****** what if that blackbird make jam lol?


Yeah, it's painfull to get jammed ya know Blink

I give up, you clearly have some "special" needs

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#56 - 2012-07-11 23:24:17 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Prozacxx wrote:
Ye u ****** what if that blackbird make jam lol?


Yeah, it's painfull to get jammed ya know Blink

I give up


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Amantus
Drexciyan Sea Unit
SPACE DETROIT
#57 - 2012-07-12 00:15:04 UTC
i havent seen this yet but please post what music you used




i am looking forward to watching this video
Drealar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#58 - 2012-07-12 00:23:47 UTC
If you had made this video with footage from Sisi it would be more exciting.

Then again, after reading your replies I can only assume you believe what you type. In which case, everyone should stop bullying him. He's clearly an idiot.

Now back on topic. OH CUTE, isn't this video amazing! You should be so happy fella, it looks fantastic!
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#59 - 2012-07-12 00:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Drealar wrote:
If you had made this video with footage from Sisi it would be more exciting.

Then again, after reading your replies I can only assume you believe what you type. In which case, everyone should stop bullying him. He's clearly an idiot.

Now back on topic. OH CUTE, isn't this video amazing! You should be so happy fella, it looks fantastic!


Ahhh, such a cute post.

Amantus wrote:
i havent seen this yet but please post what music you used


Read my OP and you will find it Blink

Yes, you have to watch the ending on the movie to see the musics used.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#60 - 2012-07-12 03:10:06 UTC
How about you compromise? Do an AHAC gang with 2 - 3 in corp logi and record that footage. Then all the whining about neutral logi and sitting still at 0 is null and the footage itself is more interesting.

About the video itself...

Since it is apparent (I hope) that empire PvP is boring to watch you could try to make a story line real or made up and have snip-its of clips sped up maybe 500% touched up with some after effects. This would allow you to entice the viewer just like the triage carrier footage from RnK. Although that large gang footage was boring on its own, when paired with a plot it made it interesting and an over all good watch.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX