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if you want to be autistic about it, you made the statement so the burden of proof is on you.

To the first thing. You play the safe game without logistics. If you think you would lose a fight, you would not attack the enemies at all. And logistics is a part of the game in the same way as carriers is a part of the game. HTFU and live with it. Or deal with it.

Then to the next thing. I think highly of my self in the same way as you think you do pro PVP just because you are in a WH or 0.0 space. Now, care to give me 5 damn good reasons why you think you are better than us in PVP?

And then to the last thing. The fact that you think empire PVP is not PVP tells me that your a 0.0 space fanboi. We in empire do PVP, you in low sec / 0.0 space / WH space do PVP. I even do market PVP. So your argument about empire PVP is ridiculous and a proof of fanboism of 0.0 space.

Can you even give us any proofs on why 0.0 space pvpers are the best PVPers?

I'll guess not.

This has become a 10 page thread. Well played sir.

To the first thing, you would do the exact same except when I decide to fight its under my terms and if I picked a bad fight or put myself in a bad situation, I pay for it. You do not, you simply deaggro and have all your buddies rep you.

I do not think I do pro PvP mate, I am just an average joe that gets fights, wins some loses some.

I can give you 5 reasons why I am better than you m8.

1. I dont hug stations/gates, I take the fight off the gate, off the station, at planets and or belts. Even random WH's that I never came from.
2. I use tactics and maneuvers to outwit my enemy and take advantage of them when I can, I will gladly dive into a fight 1vs15, exploiting whatever I can see.
3. I dont fly with logistics in every single fight I do
4. If I do fly with logistics they are at risk just as much as me, they are in our corp, they are with us in hostile space where they can not dock
5. I dont spend 5bil on a buffer fit vindicator, nuff said right here.

I shall rephrase what I said in terms of the highsec pvp is not real pvp when that is not true, it is still PvP because it is still player vs player. So I will change that argument to "empire pvp is riskless, boring pvp"



Not a single part of my post suggested this at all, you seem extremely focused on who is the best pvp'er.
Nullsec has risks, lowsec has risks. Highsec is just riskless pvp.

There is no such thing as the best pvp'ers, nullsec blobbers think they are great, lowsec blobbers think they are great, highsec griefers with neutral RR think they are great.

All these people that think they are great, are actually among the worse in the game.

I think of myself as the average solo/small gang pvper, I take losses, I fight the odds, I dont bring ECM or Logi to help me, hell I rarely ever use my link toon.

To the first part of your post.

1. Most of the fights in 0.0 space happens at stations and gates to, so care to give us proofs that your not fighting at any of those places?

2. You use maneuvers to outwit your enemy to take advantage of that. Yeah like controlling range that is risk free PVP to. As long you keep distance, there is no chances of dying.

This is the same as us in empire. We don't use maneuvers to outwit our enemies, we use better setups / ships and we use logistics. It can be low risk sometimes, but that's until your logis get jammed or neuted to death. Our logistics is our advantage of winning fights for the most part. As your maneuvers is your way of winning a fight.

Both types of PVP can be full of risks and can be risk free to.

3. But you use fast ships / nano ships instead of logistics. We use alot of Battleships that isn't really much manuverable. We don't use alot of active reps either (sometimes we do). So our logistics is our key to win fights.

Remember there is tons of different ways to do PVP and everyone have their ways of winning fights. If you can call logistics for a bad thing to use, then i can call nanofaggotry or controlling distance to be a bad thing to.

4. Yeah, our logistics are also always at risks because you know, they can get jammed. Does it really matter if the logistics are in our corp / alliance instead of being neutral?

They will do the same thing no matter where they are and they are as much killable as neutrals as if they was in corp / alliance.

5. That's because you're cheap. The more expensive a ship is, the more fun and thrilling it is to use it in PVP.

Ofc you can get alot of action with cheap ships to, but that action is nothing compared to the action you get by using an expensive pirate / faction ship.

If empire PVP is risk free, then 0.0 space is risk free to. Specially when you consider that most big alliances are bluing up alot of others and are blobbing. And nanogangs are also risk free if you can keep distance. There is alot of things in 0.0 space that is risk free.

Then to the next things you say. You say this: Nullsec has risks, lowsec has risks. Highsec is just riskless pvp.

Considering that this is coming for a 0.0 space fanboi, i don't take your answer seriously at all. Every part of the galaxy in EVE has risks.

And didn't you know that Jita is the biggets PVP ground in EVE?

There is a buttload of lost ships in that system.

Now, i'm not saying anything about that i'm good. I'm saying that we Rebirth. as a team together is a force no one should mess with. Because we knows really well how to PVP in team against many others. Why do you think we are so successfull at what we are doing?

How do you think the alliance 'Double Tap' got friends with us?

Ok, let me tell you a story. The alliance 'Moar Tears' had hired in 'Double Tap' to kill us. Double Tap is a bigger force than we in Rebirth is by quite alot. So 'Moar Tears' was pretty sure they had us now.

But oh boy, they was wrong. Double Tap did bring in a pretty big Battleship gang with quite alot of pirate and faction battleships and logistics. But even then, we had enough ships and logistics + ECM that we actually could stay alive and **** the 'Double Tap' fleet with minimal with losses (we had about 3 or 4 losses). I think they had about 15-17 battleships and stuffs while we had around 10 Battleships (gonna see if i find the Battlereport from that fight).

We did the fight and we won that fight rather easy, because Double Tap did underrate us quite alot.

When the fight was over, they had lost about 5-6 pirate / faction battleships + some other normal battleships to us. They had about 10-13 losses to us before they did realize that we actually are pretty damn good at what we are doing.

Will continue on next reply............

Hum.

Good points :
- excellent editing
- I laughed a bit when Cuckoo lost his keres

Bad points :
- everything else, including watching that terrible video and you crying all over the place.

Maybe look at the Alliance Tournament? That'd seem to fit your definition of PvP, by having equal numbers (no blobs) and severely restricting kiting. Plus, it eliminates crutches like stations and ridiculous numbers of Logi.

And lets look at the group stage:

Groups A/B/C/D have a mix of Null/Low/WHs. No-one seems to do highsec.

Groups E/F/G/H has RvB. Everyone else is null/Low/WHs.

So, if all the best PvPers are in highsec, and highsec is ~60% of the game, why are they only 1/32 of the Alliance Tournament, which seems perfectly designed for highsec players to show off their leet PvP skills?

EDIT: Scratch Choke Point. All their kills are in lowsec.

Im not even going to read that post but I presume an TL;DR something along the lines of "empire pvp has risks, nullsec fanboi your crap im better than you."

You are so blind and stupid that i actually feel pity for you.

EDIT: Read it a little

However your second point really pisses me off. If you think zipping around at 2.5km/s 30km from a 15 man gang is riskless, you are pretty damn ********. Its not Jita, in nullsec if your engaging a solo drake on the gate, the other 30 people in local can actually shoot you.

You seem to think that nano tactics = risk free, it might be risk free if its in highsec as you can see who your enemy is and knowing that you are safe as long as tht single enemy stays away.

In nullsec, i you engage 1 out of the 50 people hugging the station, the rest are going to retaliate.

You really need to listen to how stupid you sound m8

Not sure where you get it that i'm saying we are doing better PVP in empire over 0.0 space?

I'm saying that we Rebirth. are very good at what we are doing in empire. That's all.

I'm also pretty sure that i said that every part of the EVE galaxy has risk in my earlier post longer up. But you insist that empire PVP has no risks witch is wrong.

You guys are living in a fantasy world just because you hate empire. I hate 0.0 space because of the blobbing and because it's only about who have the biggest blob for the most part. But i still know that there is risks there, but there is also things that are risk free as it can be in empire to.

I have even said this longer up.

LOL, you guys normally have logistics in a AHAC gang, so when you get shot, you just spams for rep and keep holding distance. What's so hard with that?

Oh noes, you can get shot, but that's not the point. The point is that you have no risks as long as you use logistics in a AHAC gang and as long you keep holding distance. That's my point.

If nano tactics are risk free in empire, why isn't it risk free in 0.0 space then?

So, i really want to have an explanation on why things in 0.0 space are risky while the same things in empire is risk free?



Aww boo, want a hug or kiss or a tissue?

Says the player who are in an alliance that use a big blobs of carriers in fights

I think you should stop making fool of your self with the use of logistics in empire when you are using the same tactics by using carriers.