Wormholes

I am in process of doing tons of research on Wormholes as I plan on moving into one fairly soon.

I want to do Planetary Interaction (not the other type - Planetary Interdiction) and was wondering if the EvE-Uni guide was still considered to be the best out there, but also what products are normally required by any particular corp (assume my new corp doesn't do much PI) living in a Wormhole.

Regards

Barrak

Most wormhole corps do PI to gain the bits needed for POS fuel. So enriched uranium, coolant, oxygen, mech parts and robotics. Other than that, its pretty much down to individual preferences on what types you make, or how far up the chain you are aiming to go.

Yeah gotta love the nanite repair paste.....hey wait are you calling me a *****?!

This is what I need and if I can assist the corporation in doing so, then it's all good.

I'm just getting to the interview stage with the corp at this point so I don't know if they actually require anything. If they don't then I'll try and make the most profitable, if they do, then I want to assist them first and hopefully this will give me a relatively easy setup with a moderate passive income.




With the coming changes, I assume I'd need to check with the corp about how the plan on working PI. Whether they will take profit from import/export or set it to zero and buy from the corp member.



To start with I want a relatively 'easy' setup, so I am sure that I would follow the above system to some degree. Once I become proficient I may very well change things (if cost efficient) or train up additional characters.



This was my plan from the beginning.

I think I asked this above, but I plan on working from the EvE-Uni tutorials in order to set things up (I know I really should be testing this stuff before delving into WH space) and I plan on using this: http://fazenda.w-space.org/ so if someone can please tell me if this is still current I'd really appreciate it.

At a risk of turning this thread Indy in the WH section and asking you to 'give me all the information without doing anything' are there factors other than getting ganked and transportation that makes PI in WH differ from elsewhere that I should be aware of.

Regards

Barrak

ps. Breezly - Please excuse my tidying up of your post. I only did it as it made it easier for me to read and hit a lot of notes with me.

PI in hi sec: When will I have enough raw material to start my factory?
PI in wh: Where can I store all this raw material while i wait for my factory to finish?

I currently do PI in a C4 system, and it works VERY well. I make Nano-Factory units.

I found however, if you want your factories to be at optimal, i.e. always fed by your extractors, then you will need a higher level of 'Command Center Upgrades' I have mine to 5 on my two chars. keeps the factories running 24/7 to produce my goal of 1 nano per hour. gives me about 100mil a week in passive income.

What you need to think about though, is how high up the chain you want to run. if you can do tier 3 commodities with lvl 4, then do it. no point wasting the 15ish days to train to 5..:D no point at all.

what i did, when i started setting my planets up, i was lvl 3 CCU, and i hadnt quite done the maths. put it to lvl 4, and wasnt quite at the base yield. i ran the maths, i needed 24k base resource an hour from each of my extractors.. im now pretty much on the 19000MW limit on my 4 base planets..:D

i'm actually considering working on setting up interplanetary to 5, so i can double the yield... tempting.. 200mil a week sounds nice

Robotics are a consistent performer from what I've heard (after all, every tower needs 'em, and they're also an ingredient in those Tech Two drones we all so dearly love), and the Gel-Matrix Biopaste is an ingredient in Nanite Repair Paste if I recall.

This is assuming you extract everything, then convert to P1 before extracting--then taking the P1 and dumping it onto a Factory Planet

I've found that getting extractor heads/processors--final stage processors all on one planet, while convenient, just CANNOT compete with my methods. You're wasting too much space/CPU/PG. You only get a couple extractors per resources, and it ends up being only 1 or 2 end extractors running. If you're lucky. I tried it with robotics, and only got MAYBE 100-120 Robotics/day. My method, assuming all factories are running 24/7, I get 270+/day, depending on what time I dump resources to my factories/pull Robotics

but then, I've got an insane number of PI alts with CC/Interplanetary at V with Iteron Vs.....and I tend to run my PI-line daily.


Extractor Planets (R0-P1)

1 Spaceport
1 Storage Facility (attached to Spaceport)
1 Extractor Head (full heads) (send resources to Storage Facility)
1 Extractor Head (1-3 extractors) (send resources to Spaceport)
5-7 Basic Processors (varies depending on what you are extracting--obviously to spaceport)

Basic stuff, but I find I can pull out 7-9k P1 off of a planet every day. This allows you to have a 12k m3 buffer of basic resources in the storage facility, in addition to the 10k m3 in the Spaceport. In a WH, I find that generally when you start getting max yields of 150 or less in a given Head's radius, it's time to move the Extractor Heads.

To do this, just find a new spot, destroy processors/heads, and if you have any extra R0, do NOT use spaceport unless you have POCO at 0% tax rate. Instead, make a Spaceport/Storage Facility where you want, make a link (yes, it does cost a bit of money, but less than import/export costs) between old/new spots, and use "expedited transfer". You MAY need to upgrade the links.

REMEMBER: It's better to have fewer processors running 100% of the time than 1 or 2 processors running out of materials 50% of the time (difference between 6.5k and 4-5k, depending on yield, number of Basic Processors....)

Total Cost of 1 Extractor Planet: Roughly 6-10 Million ISK for Elite Extractor Planet (mostly the CC)



Factory Planet (P3)--Elite CC :

2x Spaceports
4x P3 Processors
As many other P2 Processors as you can fit.

Why 2 Spaceports? Because you can fit roughly 13000-13400 of the 2x P1s you need in either one. And because generally you'll burn 10k or so P1 a day. Which leaves you some wiggle room....Note that you will have 4 or so extra Processors. Pick one of the P2s and have it produce extras. If you have multiple factory planets, have the second factory planet produce extras of the other P2 (and so on and so forth). (save the extra P2, actually, instead of selling it--you'll eventually forget to fill your factory planet, and if you have 2 factory planets both producing extras of both of the P2s you need for your P3, you can just drop the P2s straight down to the factory [if you forgot/haven't cycled Extractors recently, or a new one even])

YOU WILL NEED 1.5 TO 2 EXTRACTOR PLANETS OF EACH P1 PER (2x Spaceport) FACTORY PLANET. I highly recommend training up any/all alts to CC/Planet skills IV (5 planets, Advanced CCs), if not Elites (go Elite or go home IMHO). Also, this costs roughly 20-40M per factory planet. You won't need to bother with Remote Sensing (I still recommend it to at least III though)/Planetology.

Single Spaceport fits are only 6k P1/day, unless you visit it more than once a day, which leaves your factories empty and not running for a LOT of the time. You could probably get away with this if you only use the 1 character, but it's nowhere near as efficient otherwise. it takes roughly 15 minutes to cycle extractor heads/pick up/drop off mats total per character.

P4 Factory Planets are roughly the same, except IIRC you can only get 1 P4 Processors going at half capacity (that's okay, though, because 12 P4/day is still a decent number). remember that to run successfully, each processor needs 2x of the lower class processor running at full capacity to work at its best. Then again, I don't do P4 much. I do Robotics.



Also, an idea I've toyed with is a storage planet. basically a bunch of spaceports on a planet, with a bunch of storage facilities next to them. This is primarily for wormholes, so you don't lose your PI if some schmuck forgets to refuel the POS (or you go offline for a few months and your corp has moved on, etc).

essentially:

5-10x Spaceports
5-10x Storage Facilities

Each Storage Facility is linked to a single Spaceport, and are filled via Expedited Transfer.

If my (rough) math (made in my head at work without access to any SPECIFIC stats) is right, you cold get several hundred million ISK worth of PI on one of these planets, completely untouchable by anyone (until Dust is implemented, but getting Dusters into a WH would be a ***** I'd imagine). PI stored in (PO)COs can be lost if they're blown up, same with Corp Hangars/ships.

I'd HIGHLY recommeend getting a friendly POCO for this planet though, or taxes will be a MAJOR *****.

Not sure what you'll be able to make with that batch of planets.

Find your system in EVE Eye and it will tell you EXACTLY what you can make.


See you in the Sell Orders!



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Took me a bit of time/ISK to develop this.