EVE General Discussion

…and to use a bookmark at far below zero range (as in: right next to the station hull), and warp to that rather than to the station. Every station — including the kick-out ones — will have spots where you can get closer to the station than the range indicator suggests.

Caldari administrative stations (e.g. Jita 4-4) in particular have so many nooks and crannies well within docking range that it's pretty much effortless to create autodock spots.

It solves the problem of him coming from a predictable angle and thus arriving where everyone else arrives. Combine this with what I wrote and he'll also arrive at a unpredictable spot (a spot where the autopilot will autodock him the instant he comes out of warp). This means that the ganker can no longer park himself at the perfect range from the spot and just F1 anything that arrives in high sights.

Or maybe just your insta-undock bookmark.
Personally, I just don't carry around what I can't afford to lose. Especially to trade hubs.

- T1 industrials are like wet paper bags full of candy. Not safe, but convenient for dragging low-value crap around.
- Cloaky stuff relies on being sneaky and stealthy. Fit a mwd and invuln anyway; you never know when you might need them to burn away from something decloaking you.
- Tanked Orcas are gank-resistant. Usually not worth trying.
- Avoid major chokepoints. This means insta-undock bookmarks, not warping direct to stations, etc.

As others have said, if you can fit a covert ops cloak on your viator, you can warp cloaked and as long as you're manually piloting you'll be fine. You'll be limited to just over 10,000 m3 of cargo space though, even if you rig and fit for max cargo (which you can do if you can warp cloaked, because nobody is ever gonna lock you before you can cloak, just don't go into 0.0 and get bubbled).

Instead of giving you specific ships/setups, I will tell you as a former highsec suicide ganker that the only thing you really need to consider is how many ships (and how much isk are the gankers going to have to spend) to kill your ship. I will tell you that a BS with a good tank should take between 8-20 (depending on a lot of things) alpha ships to one-volley you. I don't know exactly what a gank tornado costs, but say about 75m for simplicity. Your cargo would have to be worth at least 600m for them to break even, and it's likely that they need to split the profits between 8 or so people too, so at a minimum I'd imagine you'd be safe with 400m or more in cargo value beyond that, probably more (I'd be pissed if I only got ship value plus 50m back from a gank, but maybe some poors would be happy with that v0v).

The majority of gankers aren't doing it ONLY to harvest tears (there are much more efficient ways to do that), most of them are in it for the MONEY. If you make it uneconomical for them to gank you, then you should be pretty safe.

Also, as others have mentioned, the Orca is a good choice too, and it can haul more than just about any industrial or transport, and do it safer. Keep in mind though, CCP is planning (or already have, I don't know) to start having contents of ship maintenance bays and corporate hanger bays start dropping loot, and probably show up on cargo scanners at some point too.

For raw simplicity I like to think that each Tornado does 10k alpha and worse case scenerio in some systems they can get off 2 shots before being concorded, so for arguments sake each Tornado does 20k dmg and cost 75mil. Lets say your using a BS which has 200k EHP, which is easily obtainable in fully passive armor tank ship like the Abbandon it will take 10 Tornado's to take you down (plus a few extra for good measure, but lets not bother with that). So 10 x 75mil = 750mil is the cost to them, there is roughly 50% drop rate for loot off memory so the breaking even point is 1.5bil on that particular ship in loot/modules.

This is how I like to do things for how to figure out if your worth being ganked, it overestimates your opponent slightly but that is not a bad thing in this case. And in MY opinion if you have to ask if your worth being ganked and a lone Thrasher (or a few) can do it, the answer is yes your at risk.

Simple way to mess with suicide gankers is to double wrap your cargo if your in a high EHP ship. Basically put the cargo in a cargo container and than give it to your alt who than assigns a courier contract to yourself so it's shrink wraped. This way when somone scans your ship they will see the cargo container and not it's contents. In general this means your carrying something valuable, in paper thin ships you pop them. In high EHP ships it's a very large gambe to do so, so the likely hood of someone trying is smaller. This is assuming they didn't change this method which I don't thing they have.

Than there is the MWD + Cloak trick, you basically use them both together and you can warp immediately after you drop your cloak before someone can get a lock. Look it up on youtube for how it's done, thats the easiest way to learn this one. Basically you use it when there is a gank squad waiting for you when you jump into a system as a GTFO free card.

There is also one more thing to remember there is only one resist that matters, your lowest one. It doesn't matter if Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive resists are 99.999% if your EM is 0% because guess which damage I will be doing, EM. If your setup to deal with high EHP targets I would hope that the party doing the ganking is smart enough to carry various ammo types and scans not only the cargo but also the modules and finds your resist hole (or lack there of) and chooses ammo appropriately.

Lastly don't afk with valuable cargo even in high EHP ships, if the cargo is cheap go for it. Expensive = manual jumps all the way. This is my rule with high EHP ships ONLY, as they can survive a heavy beating and aren't prime targets to gank for fun.

Strangely enough not all industrial pilots tank their ships, I have seen quite a few with empty mids or leave their EM hole open. Than there are those who have hardeners who just never turn them on

Having done more than my share of suicide ganks in the past, I can tell you that damn near anything can be brought down if the cargo scan is enough to get opportunistic fellows interested.

Seriously, train up an Orca, or even better, get an Orca Alt in an NPC corp and 99.999% of these concerns all go away.

Oh Im sure there are tons of people who are like that. Im just saying what the ship is capable of, its wether or not they chose to utilize that potential, which given were talking high sec residents, that isnt to common.

Or how about a 0 BM so you can insta dock lawl...

also ECM burst in HS... wow what a epic fail plan.

Depends on the grid. At any rate anything past 300km is good in a cov ops cloak fitted ship as you will be cloaked before you exit warp.

Also OP don't fit cargo expanders, go with mods that get you more agility. Make multiple runs, might take longer but it is far more secure.

The warp->mwd->cloak trick isn't for covops cloaked ships, it's for non-covops ships, and it definitely doesn't do what you seem to think it does. You are correct though that unless escaping a bubble, a covops cloak equipped ship should NEVER try to use the MWD to align, because it'll just make you slower.

Essentially, it allows any ship fitting any cloak+mwd to escape in high and low sec (where there are no bubbles), without being caught. I have used it on BSs before and escaped pirate gate camps in lowsec, and it works quite well.

Pretty much you assign your MWD to your F1 key and your cloak to your F2 key. When you jump in, you find on your overview the gate or object which is your destination, and select it so it's in your selected items window. You then click ALIGN, then immediately hit F1 and then hit F2 a half second or so after. This bump your max speed up to your max MWD speed and give you one MWD burst of acceleration. You need to watch the activation timer of your MWD, because you only get one shot at this: as soon as the cycle ends, you need to hit F2 to decloak, and spam the "warp to" or "jump" button on your selected items window. What will happen is that when the MWD deactivates, you will begin decelerating to "normal" speed again, but your true speed will actually be above your "normal" speed. Generally, the client puts you into warp when you reach about 3/4ths of your normal maximum velocity, and since your ship is decelerating from MWD, you SHOULD be above that 3/4ths target, so you'll instantly warp. When it works right, it's next to impossible to catch people doing this without a bubble. One exception is if your align time is actually GREATER than the cycle time of your MWD by a significant percentage (more than 25% is probably bad), because even if you execute this trick perfectly, your speed likely won't be high enough to instantly enter warp when your one MWD cycle ends.

If you somehow managed to stray into 0.0 and If there is a bubble, and you don't have a covops cloak, you're likely gonna get decloaked and die before you slowboat out of it so you can warp, even if you're near the edge. Also, when you use a standard cloak and you decloak to warp, you're normally only at 25% velocity or so, and you need to build up to that 75% to warp, which is also plenty of time for someone to lock and scram you.

I have also seen pro interceptor pilots decloak cloaky transports like the viator and get a tackle on them out in 0.0 WITHOUT a bubble up. That means they saw, decloaked and put a point on a viator that jumped into us before he could warp (less than 6 seconds) after he initially decloaked. Luckily the general population of EVE and 0.0 is not nearly this amazing at flying, so be grateful ^_^