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You almost died to a drake with a prot?

Dear god mate. You are fail. I mean holy hell. I fly drakes all the time. The is no way buffer or ASB fit I would go near a prot with out back up. If you aren't fail fit you easily have 80-90+ resist to kinetic. If you nearly lost you should just biomass yourself.

actually when it came to the T3's i've always thought they should be completely modular allowing the players to choose what tank type they actually want, ie all T3's can be shield or armour depending on players choice.

as for the ASB iirc it takes cap boosters, so sooner or later their going to run out of cap boosters, just a case of out lasting them.

You've never flown a buffer fit, have you? Doesn't matter what your resists are, if the enemy has pointed you and you can't break their dual x-large ancillary shield booster 2,000 dps tank, YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.

Fixed for tl;dr.

Unfortunately, Drakes running ASBs are pretty ridiculous right now, partially because of the Drake's huge natural capacitor and the fact that generally they don't need to use that cap as much as other ships do, leaving a surplus for when the ASB runs out of charges (assuming the person isn't fitting two of them).

What I really don't get, is why CCP nearly made regular shield boosters almost obsolete overnight, and why active shield tanking is getting so much love while active armor tanking has been in the dumpster for 3-4 years. Even before ASBs, active shield tanking was VASTLY superior to active armor tanking in terms of how much DPS you could handle. Without getting too crazy on fittings, you can easily make a handful of BSs tank 3000-4000 dps with REGULAR shield boosters, whereas the max tank on one of the better active armor tanked BSs will get you up to a 1500-2000 dps tank, and that's relatively pimped out too. It's also worth pointing out that armor reps have a much longer cycle time too, which makes you more vulnerable to alpha. I'm sure a good part of the difference in tanking ability can be explained by crystal sets too, but it's a moot point really when the end result has such a drastic disparity between the two types of tanks.

Ironically in the world of supercaps, it's the complete opposite and shield tanks are generally 50%-ish less effective than armor tanks are in terms of effective hitpoints. CCP has already started to address this by releasing deadspace invuln fields, but until some shield equivalent of slave implants are introduced, shield supers will always be sub-par.

Hopefully in this upcoming rebalance CCP will look at some of the issues with active tanking, especially with armor tanks, and will make some effort to start fixing it. I don't expect armor to equal shield at any point with respect to their capabilities, but the gap needs to be narrowed considerably.

While it should be noted that I'm aware we're trollin' here and not actually srsing, the for serious answer is that part of the ship rebalancing is a general buff to active armor repair (more ships get an amount repaired bonus, especially in Gallente) and the nerf to Neut benefited active armor as much as active shield.

What does DUST have anything to do with ASBs? Also this post wreaks of bitterness DUST is not on PC. Get over it man.

Nice post and I agree. Not to turn this into a bashing super caps thread, but I would prefer if slave implants simply did not work on capital ships at all, much less super capitals.

While I agree that a well-fit and flown Proteus can't possibly lose against a Drake, I also believe that ASBs are overpowered.

They have made all normal shield boosters pretty much obsolete except for PvE use. Even in cases where you would pay a few hundred million for a deadspace booster, like on a Maelstrom, 2 ASBs for about 5 million are still vastly better, the only drawback being more CPU cost.
Their boost amount is so insane that a dual large ASB fit on a Myrmidon can actually tank about as much than a dual rep fit while doing more dps. You do of course lose med slots by shield tanking the Myrm, but it still doesn't seem right that a shield tank performs about as well as an armor tank on a ship with a 37,5% armor tanking bonus.
I believe it would make sense to make it impossible to fit more than 1 ASB to a ship.

Kyang

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