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Capqu
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#1 - 2012-07-08 20:25:38 UTC
Am I missing something or does this rule only apply to last years finalists?

Quote:
For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


Since even the commentators are talking about making deals and setting up the result so that each team gets enough points, as if it was fair game.

I'm not actually part of any of the alliance teams, or last years finalists, I just think its a bit unfair to not enforce this rule after excluding certain alliances for straying an inch from said rules.

inb4 "bargaining counts as competing" Roll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Nakatomi Kamatori
Azure Automation
#2 - 2012-07-08 20:28:27 UTC
It would seem this kind of bargaining after the victor of the match has been decided through a normal fight is allowed. I think the rule is meant to stop teams from not competing at all. Tbh, I doubt you could stop anything like this from happening, so better we hear of it than it happens behind the scenes.
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-08 20:29:50 UTC
those deals are made after the fate of the match has been decided, the rule aims more towards rigging a game so that one team deliberatly looses from the start.
Capqu
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#4 - 2012-07-08 20:33:24 UTC
So you're supposed to look at this rule and work that out? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying in that case the rules are terribly written, and given 5 minutes I'm pretty sure anyone with a second level education in English could do better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Barkaial Starfinder
Brazilian Vultures
Ferrata Victrix
#5 - 2012-07-08 20:34:11 UTC
This is the great bullshit of this year's tournament.
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-08 20:38:10 UTC
Capqu wrote:
So you're supposed to look at this rule and work that out? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying in that case the rules are terribly written, and given 5 minutes I'm pretty sure anyone with a second level education in English could do better.

dunno for me the "if they believe that one of the teams is not competing" made it clear
Capqu
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#7 - 2012-07-08 20:42:19 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Capqu wrote:
So you're supposed to look at this rule and work that out? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying in that case the rules are terribly written, and given 5 minutes I'm pretty sure anyone with a second level education in English could do better.

dunno for me the "if they believe that one of the teams is not competing" made it clear



So, for example, you think selling your last frigate for 2 billion is competing? In case you need it (you need it) here is what competing means in this context:
Quote:
Strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.


By selling your last ship, I can assure you, you are not trying to win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Nakatomi Kamatori
Azure Automation
#8 - 2012-07-08 20:47:25 UTC
Capqu wrote:
Jack bubu wrote:
Capqu wrote:
So you're supposed to look at this rule and work that out? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying in that case the rules are terribly written, and given 5 minutes I'm pretty sure anyone with a second level education in English could do better.

dunno for me the "if they believe that one of the teams is not competing" made it clear



So, for example, you think selling your last frigate for 2 billion is competing? In case you need it (you need it) here is what competing means in this context:
Quote:
Strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.


By selling your last ship, I can assure you, you are not trying to win.


If you sell it after you have won, you have tried(and succeeded) to win.
sevyn nine
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#9 - 2012-07-08 20:52:25 UTC
Capqu wrote:
Am I missing something or does this rule only apply to last years finalists?

Quote:
For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


Since even the commentators are talking about making deals and setting up the result so that each team gets enough points, as if it was fair game.

I'm not actually part of any of the alliance teams, or last years finalists, I just think its a bit unfair to not enforce this rule after excluding certain alliances for straying an inch from said rules.

inb4 "bargaining counts as competing" Roll



I agree completely. I was under the impression that any sort of deal-making, either before or during the tourney, was forbidden. It wouldn't have helped our team, but I wonder how many other teams didn't do it because they thought CCP would actually enforce their own rules.
Capqu
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#10 - 2012-07-08 20:54:49 UTC
Nakatomi Kamatori wrote:
Capqu wrote:
Jack bubu wrote:
Capqu wrote:
So you're supposed to look at this rule and work that out? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying in that case the rules are terribly written, and given 5 minutes I'm pretty sure anyone with a second level education in English could do better.

dunno for me the "if they believe that one of the teams is not competing" made it clear



So, for example, you think selling your last frigate for 2 billion is competing? In case you need it (you need it) here is what competing means in this context:
Quote:
Strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.


By selling your last ship, I can assure you, you are not trying to win.


If you sell it after you have won, you have tried(and succeeded) to win.


I don't think you understand or know what I am talking about, so let me break it down to your level.

You have one ship left on field, it is a frigate.

The enemy have many elite space ships on the field, they are not frigates.

It looks bleak for you, but you have not lost yet.

The enemy offers you 2 billion space dollars to suicide your final ship.

You accept.

How does constitute competing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
dkbjitawhore
Logi Bribes Please Ignore
#11 - 2012-07-08 20:59:21 UTC
Capqu wrote:

How does constitute competing?


Tackling with ISK.
Capqu
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#12 - 2012-07-08 21:00:17 UTC
sevyn nine wrote:
Capqu wrote:
Am I missing something or does this rule only apply to last years finalists?

Quote:
For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


Since even the commentators are talking about making deals and setting up the result so that each team gets enough points, as if it was fair game.

I'm not actually part of any of the alliance teams, or last years finalists, I just think its a bit unfair to not enforce this rule after excluding certain alliances for straying an inch from said rules.

inb4 "bargaining counts as competing" Roll



I agree completely. I was under the impression that any sort of deal-making, either before or during the tourney, was forbidden. It wouldn't have helped our team, but I wonder how many other teams didn't do it because they thought CCP would actually enforce their own rules.


That is exactly what I mean, this rule is clearly written to prevent any colluding; however collusion was done today and even analysed and promoted by the commentators, as if it was acceptable. How are we supposed to play a game (something traditionally with very rigid rules) when we have to guess and gamble with which rules CCP will actually enforce? I don't care any of the repercussions that would have happened had these rules been enforced. What I care about is the fact that they just don't seem to give a damn about enforcing the rules half the time, and the other half of the time they ban alliances from even competing! That sets a dangerous precedent, where every time we see a rule we have to question whether its a "real" rule or not, and think about whether our enemies will do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-08 21:01:02 UTC
Quote:
For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.

l2r

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Capqu
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#14 - 2012-07-08 21:01:07 UTC
dkbjitawhore wrote:
Capqu wrote:

How does constitute competing?


Tackling with ISK.


For the alliance paying, yes, it certainly is competing.
For the alliance selling, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Capqu
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#15 - 2012-07-08 21:02:54 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Quote:
For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.

l2r


Are you honestly that stupid? Or am I being le trolled xDDddD? Oh golly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Vellamo Lyr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-08 21:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
LMAO -snip-

Post edited for non-EVE content.

ISD Tyrozan
Hench Tenet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-07-08 21:11:51 UTC
GB2 factional warfare, bitter ex.
Black Lorren
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#18 - 2012-07-08 21:15:50 UTC
don't be a bitter pubbie
Capqu
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#19 - 2012-07-08 21:16:21 UTC
Not sure why you guys are talking about my (not space relevant) alliance, but okay, thanks for the bumps.

I wonder if the moderation rules will get enforced? Dice-roll I expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-07-08 21:27:34 UTC
Capqu wrote:
The enemy have many elite space ships on the field, they are not frigates.

It looks bleak for you, but you have not lost yet.


Yeah that Keres was going to demolish the Vindicator and Oneiros in the last 20 seconds of the match

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