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T2 Ammo. vs T2 Missiles
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Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#101 - 2012-07-13 13:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Annabell Ood
@OP
while I do understand your point of view and follow the validity of your arguments, I believe that you fail to consider just how OP a missle weapon system is.

The simple fact is that a low SP character can WAY out perform his/her equals in both mission running and pvp simply because they chose missiles over turrets is in its self unbalanced.
So yes, i believe that the T2 missile penalty is unfair compare to T2 turrets --- it is not unfair when you compare missile systems Vs turret systems.

T1 needs a BIG nerf, then buff T2
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-07-13 14:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Annabell Ood wrote:
@OP
while I do understand your point of view and follow the validity of your arguments, I believe that you fail to consider just how OP a missle weapon system is.

The simple fact is that a low SP character can WAY out perform his/her equals in both mission running and pvp simply because they chose missles over turrets is in its self unbalanced.
So yes, i believe that the T2 missile penalty is unfair compare to T2 turrets --- it is not unfair when you compair missile systems Vs turret systems.

T1 needs a BIG nerf, then buff T2


You think Cruise Missiles/Torpedoes are way better than Large Turrets?

I'm pretty sure you just mean Heavies/HAMs, not the entire weapon system.

If so, I'll agree with you on the fact that nerfing T2 missiles is not a good way to balance it.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#103 - 2012-07-13 14:51:49 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:

You think Cruise Missiles/Torpedoes are way better than Large Turrets?

I'm pretty sure you just mean Heavies/HAMs, not the entire weapon system.

If so, I'll agree with you on the fact that nerfing T2 missiles is not a good way to balance it.



Just to clarify......
you think T1 cruise missiles and Torps are not way better then T1 large Turrets?
especially for a low SP character?
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#104 - 2012-07-13 15:14:19 UTC
Annabell Ood wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:

You think Cruise Missiles/Torpedoes are way better than Large Turrets?

I'm pretty sure you just mean Heavies/HAMs, not the entire weapon system.

If so, I'll agree with you on the fact that nerfing T2 missiles is not a good way to balance it.



Just to clarify......
you think T1 cruise missiles and Torps are not way better then T1 large Turrets?
especially for a low SP character?



While there is validity there, I would like to note that most pple will be up to T2 in their respective systems within 2 months. Even low SP characters, as weapon systems is often one of the first things they train up.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#105 - 2012-07-13 15:59:55 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
Annabell Ood wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:

You think Cruise Missiles/Torpedoes are way better than Large Turrets?

I'm pretty sure you just mean Heavies/HAMs, not the entire weapon system.

If so, I'll agree with you on the fact that nerfing T2 missiles is not a good way to balance it.



Just to clarify......
you think T1 cruise missiles and Torps are not way better then T1 large Turrets?
especially for a low SP character?



While there is validity there, I would like to note that most pple will be up to T2 in their respective systems within 2 months. Even low SP characters, as weapon systems is often one of the first things they train up.

Since when? T2 large guns take a month or so to train on their own, and most new people don't think of that as a short amount of time, and the most of the newbs I've known over the years are more interested in their next ship than getting t2 guns/missiles.
Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#106 - 2012-07-13 21:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Annabell Ood
Zyella Stormborn wrote:


While there is validity there, I would like to note that most pple will be up to T2 in their respective systems within 2 months. Even low SP characters, as weapon systems is often one of the first things they train up.



This is what I ran into on both my mission running / FW alts (one amarr and one caldari).
Think about it this way---- 3 months of running level 3 missions instead of running level 2s (Isk, LP, and all the goodies). and because of range/speed tank > armor tank= my amarr pilot need months to be able to pull off what my caldari could do easly his first weeks.

with turrets T2 is a huge upgrade over T1, but with missiles its kind of bleh. It is why I can completely understand the view point from the OP. I just believe that saddly, T1 missiles are soooooooo stupidly OP compaired to T1 turrets. There isn't such a big upgrade for missiles between tech levels.

as for pvp-
the caracal is a beast (dual prop FTW!!!) and you can be low SP all T1. There is no T1 laser cruiser that can claim to be its equal in pvp.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#107 - 2012-07-13 22:46:28 UTC
The OP was whining about torps, tbh cruise missiles as a whole need a rework from the ground up, as they're kind of terribad.
Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#108 - 2012-07-13 22:57:26 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
The OP was whining about torps, tbh cruise missiles as a whole need a rework from the ground up, as they're kind of terribad.


in your experience my friend, do you feel T1 Large Turrets outperform T1 torps and Cmissiles?
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#109 - 2012-07-13 23:44:02 UTC
Annabell Ood wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
The OP was whining about torps, tbh cruise missiles as a whole need a rework from the ground up, as they're kind of terribad.


in your experience my friend, do you feel T1 Large Turrets outperform T1 torps and Cmissiles?

T1 cruises? Nah. Torps? I wouldn't undock in a ship with t1 torps, even if I rolled a new character. Javelins are just too useful not to have. And the close range weapons are pretty much on par with each other IMO, I wouldn't rush to take a t1 torp boat over a t1 blaster, AC or pulse ship, or the other way around, especially since torps need much more sp behind them to work well than cruises do.