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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#201 - 2012-07-09 12:01:30 UTC
Xython wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.


BoB. Respect?

Ow. My sense of irony just sprained itself.


It wasn't open to debate; attempting to rewrite history will not erase my memory.

It also was not my intention to remind you of painful truths to offend you; sorry if that was the impression you got.

AK

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#202 - 2012-07-09 12:06:16 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


I do believe they tried that.... and got hammered down when the wardec costs were (totally unasked for by the corp in question) changed.



I do believe that war declarations are not a requirement for combat in Null Sec, which is where the alliances live, no?


Shhh don't say things like that, it'll burst some bubbles

I think some posters are butthurt that Jade Constantine did a better job of rallying a force against GSF than most of the null alliances have ever managed, even if it was down to a poorly thought out ally mechanic. There I said it, Jade Constantine > some null alliances, man am I going to burn for that one.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kerensky White
K-EDEN
Winger Aerospace
#203 - 2012-07-09 12:13:11 UTC
Onictus wrote:
We don't play your game.


I play Minecraft, FFXI, TF2, soon Planetside 2 I hope! You should try them. Well ok maybe not FFXI it is still abit like slamming bits of yourself in a car door though they did make it a lot easier to level up. Seriously like very little grind for that now. I play a mithra because they are cute cat girls and when I play summoner, I get the best pets. Oh I guess this is what you all mean by goon pets!
Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2012-07-09 12:33:46 UTC
you know... typically i dont particularly care for or hate the Goons. but for people to get butthurt over the fact that they have and defend a huge swath of moon goo, is stupid.

calling for CCP to take it away from the Goons is just plain crazy. if you feel strongly enough about it... get all the other alliances out there NOT associated with the Goons and go take it from them.

Bad as i hate to say this, i agree with the Goons. its theirs, its their right to hold,defend and PROFIT on it.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2012-07-09 12:39:57 UTC
Onictus wrote:
You aren't supposed to yap in local in fleet, this far from unique to SoCo. It's more about class.

ahahahahaha no it isn't, not yapping in local is literally stifling fun.

I mean, have you seen all the high-class porn to come out of local? Share the wealth, man. Puff puff pass.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#206 - 2012-07-09 13:02:41 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Onictus wrote:
You aren't supposed to yap in local in fleet, this far from unique to SoCo. It's more about class.

ahahahahaha no it isn't, not yapping in local is literally stifling fun.

I mean, have you seen all the high-class **** to come out of local? Share the wealth, man. Puff puff pass.

All the best stuff isn't even in game.

It's things like ... Makalu FCing comms leaks, hilarious posts on Kugu, the broadcasts written by amazing posters.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2012-07-09 13:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
KrakizBad wrote:
I hear we also got CCP to break bombs to win this war.

jokes aside now your blob can't be countered. And when your 300-500+ drake fleet is sitting outside of a station nothing below this numbers can get you out. Before this "fix" there was conter to blobs - SB gangs. Now it does not exist.

Was watching few days ago how some fleet undocked and started fight. Immediately you droped lots of dreads/supers/titans on it. Shocked

Local was like 750-800 and there was like 100 in RED alliance channel. I can guess 100-200 more people were from SoCo.

Just to answer to your "SoCo never undocks".... They do but not against your swarms. Lol

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Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-07-09 13:32:26 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Xython wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.


BoB. Respect?

Ow. My sense of irony just sprained itself.


It wasn't open to debate; attempting to rewrite history will not erase my memory.

It also was not my intention to remind you of painful truths to offend you; sorry if that was the impression you got.

AK



Yes because propping yourself up as some quasi feudal lord and deeming nullsec is for the elite only was a good, healthy and respectable mindset.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2012-07-09 13:35:44 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
I hear we also got CCP to break bombs to win this war.

jokes aside now your blob can't be countered.

This is a fallacy. Prior to us saying "we're heading south to burn your **** to the ground", you guys had 800+ in fleet. 2 days after, and it was "wololol retreat to NPC stain".

March rabbit wrote:
And when your 300-500+ drake fleet is sitting outside of a station nothing below this numbers can get your out. Before this "fix" there was conter to blobs - SB gangs. Not it is not exists.

SBs aren't nerfed, they're changed back to what they had before CCP ****** with missiles etc, which means you have to actually think a bit before lobbing bombs, instead of essentially doing a 256 man bombing run which is able to put aeons into armor in one volley.

March rabbit wrote:
Was watching few days ago how some fleet undocked and started fight. Immediately you droped lots of dreads/supers/titans on it. Shocked

We're not there for good fights, we're there to burn your **** to the ground. Deal with it by throwing away makalu get someone competent to actually plan your war for you. Constantly being camped in 319 and following makalu 'yipe yipe yipe' zarya isn't going to work.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#210 - 2012-07-09 14:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapine Davion
March rabbit wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
I hear we also got CCP to break bombs to win this war.

jokes aside now your blob can't be countered. And when your 300-500+ drake fleet is sitting outside of a station nothing below this numbers can get your out. Before this "fix" there was conter to blobs - SB gangs. Not it is not exists.

Was watching few days ago how some fleet undocked and started fight. Immediately you droped lots of dreads/supers/titans on it. Shocked

Local was like 750-800 and there was like 100 in RED alliance channel. I can guess 100-200 more people were from SoCo.

Just to answer to your "SoCo never undocks".... They do but not against your swarms. Lol


Because GSF has never used bomber gangs to counter BS fleets in the past when bombs weren't broken.

Can we get Mr. Vee in here?

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SetrakDark
Doomheim
#211 - 2012-07-09 14:41:18 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Because GSF has never used bomber gangs to counter BS fleets in the past when bombs weren't broken.

Can we get Mr. Vee in here?


No, it's only unfair to people who are bad with bombers and need to use a patching error to make them work.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2012-07-09 15:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Lord Zim wrote:

This is a fallacy. Prior to us saying "we're heading south to burn your **** to the ground", you guys had 800+ in fleet. 2 days after, and it was "wololol retreat to NPC stain".

i'm new to Eve (second year in 0.0 sov)... Have only seen 150-200 fleets.... And like 500+ from you (switch forum char, you lost mark "CFC pet"). Where did you see 800+ in fleet? Shocked

Lord Zim wrote:

SBs aren't nerfed, they're changed back to what they had before CCP ****** with missiles etc, which means you have to actually think a bit before lobbing bombs, instead of essentially doing a 256 man bombing run which is able to put aeons into armor in one volley.

Not really. In theory bombs should be used in groups by 7 at a time. Then attack can destroy BS.
Now you launch 1 bomb at a time. 1 bomb can't even blow frigate without MWD... So i'm not sure what is purpose of SBs these days What? Only if target will sit there and wait for next SB attack.... and next....

Lord Zim wrote:

March rabbit wrote:
Was watching few days ago how some fleet undocked and started fight. Immediately you droped lots of dreads/supers/titans on it. Shocked

We're not there for good fights, we're there to burn your **** to the ground. Deal with it by throwing away makalu get someone competent to actually plan your war for you. Constantly being camped in 319 and following makalu 'yipe yipe yipe' zarya isn't going to work.

Well. Personally i have more interesting stuff than sitting on undock for hours and shitting into local chat (you do realise all of your alliances are already in Block list of any reasonable person?). RL stuff, whatever. So you can enjoy it and i will act when you leave Lol And this war is giving me loads of ISK. Thanks for your visit. Just dock and buy my stuff!

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Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#213 - 2012-07-09 15:37:48 UTC
Hi Sec whiners heres an idea - Band together and take yourselves to Null and wrench the Pinatas from the current incumbents....
If this is too much hard work or too complex you wont win EVE.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2012-07-09 16:12:38 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Not really. In theory bombs should be used in groups by 7 at a time. Then attack can destroy BS.
Now you launch 1 bomb at a time. 1 bomb can't even blow frigate without MWD... So i'm not sure what is purpose of SBs these days What? Only if target will sit there and wait for next SB attack.... and next....

You know what, somehow I'd completely forgotten they'd managed to **** the fix up by forgetting to reapply resists. My bad. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#215 - 2012-07-09 16:23:48 UTC
Gas thread and ban OP.

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Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2012-07-09 17:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vellen Thoss
forestwho wrote:
due your repetable failures

This is not about nerfing tech, this is about injecting sooo much isk in an alliance by broken game mechannics that it is impossible to counter them in several arms races. Resulting in several things:

Unlimited reimbursent power;
-Basicly this gives the abillity to suicie fleet after fleet to ware the oppoment isk pool down.

Unlimited capital ship buying power;
-Abllity to fully fund allaince super capitals and reimburse them and not getting an financial injury when losing.

Strenghten the individual corporations of a tech alliance more
-By having lots of isk for those corps they are able to purchase more and better support for there members. Think hereby about setting up logi chains with corp JF's, hireing FC's and free roaming ship reimbursements.

Giving those alliances a better moral and a better pubic image due more isk
-Good FC's tend to join such allaices as they are getting payed in isk and getting their ships fully reimbursed. This creates a chain of affects that boost internal alli moral (more stuff/roams to do) and increases overall public image

Exellent Alliance Recruitment
-Those allainces can take in more and better corps due promising them isk every month. Why shouldnt join an allaince that reimburse all your losses freely, hands out free supers and payes you 10-20b a month for just being there...

This is an armsrace that will effects eve for a long long time. Due poor game desighn and repeatable negection of serious issues like this i come to the conclusion that you have learned nothing so far CCP. The only way to fix this a little bit is insta removing tech from tech moons and NPC seed it at current prices untill ringmining is introduced. The excess isk gained should be removed to a level thats acceptable, something thats upto you to decide. The biggest reson for this to do it now is due ISK stocking. When the amount of isk that an allaice gains is soo high that they can save up 500 billion isk a month, something must be serious wrong. When an alliance has over 10 Trillion in savings and gaining another 500 billion a month something is not right.... Expecialy when it is publicly known that CCP employees have high ranks in that allaince. A serious Public Image Threat for you marketing department and your customer base.



Empires rise and fall.

Even in Star Wars, the Empire had all the iskies, had all the death stars and people and millions of laser cannon fodder (TIE Fighters) but a rag tag group with probably less than 2 full fleets managed to take them down.

Just because CFC and TEST are populous and possess numerous assets, does not make them unstoppable.

Changing game mechanics is not the way to go. Let the people sort out their own problems.

Kinda how I raise my kids. For better or worse, this game is a pure sandbox and (ideally) CCP keeps their hand out of the gears as much as possible.
Ping Pang Pong
Doomheim
#217 - 2012-07-09 17:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ping Pang Pong
Lord Zim wrote:
March rabbit wrote:


[quote=March rabbit]And when your 300-500+ drake fleet is sitting outside of a station nothing below this numbers can get your out. Before this "fix" there was conter to blobs - SB gangs. Not it is not exists.

SBs aren't nerfed, they're changed back to what they had before CCP ****** with missiles etc, which means you have to actually think a bit before lobbing bombs, instead of essentially doing a 256 man bombing run which is able to put aeons into armor in one volley.
.



Isn't it rather strange that CCP steps in and changes bombs directly after CFC gets an entire drake fleet knocked out by an SB run? I mean, bombs have been the way they were for years. Suddenly it is used against the goons and *ring ring* the batphone goes off and CCP gets to work to make sure the CFC isn't hit again by this mechanic that had been in game for years. Sad really.


I wouldn't be surprised if we had the GM's stepping in and nuking SoCo ships for the CFC like they did for the goons during a wardec a while back. 10 minute petition answer, direct out of game communications with CCP devs, opposing forces ships start to go *pop* out of the blue.


Nepotism in its truest form.


and @ the above poster: It is hard to combat both the CFC and CCP at the same time. It seems that every time someone gets a leg up there are changes that get rolled out which specifically cater to what the goons are up to.



A few things CCP has done to directly intervene in the game and support the Goons/CFC:

-Titan tracking nerf while CFC raids Raiden
-Wardec changes only after goons get dogpiled. They had done a dog pile a few weeks earlier on another alliance, but no one seemed to care until it was the goons on the receiving end.
-GM's nuking an opposing corp/alliance's ships during a war with the goons
And the most recent: Bomb changes put in place immediately after a CFC drake fleet goes byebye.

There are probably countless other times that things like these have happened, but these are ones I can think of off the top of my head.


While I am too lazy to find the articles, there are plenty of reputable MMO gaming sites (MMORPG.com, Massively.com etc) that have spoken out and reported on this happening. It still doesn't change the fact that there are quite a few people working in CCP that are or "were" goons or the facts of mechanics being changed out of no where as soon as it benefits the goons.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#218 - 2012-07-09 17:59:42 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Gas thread and ban OP.

Why is it always that and not the other way around? Cry
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2012-07-09 18:00:41 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Hi Sec whiners heres an idea - Band together and take yourselves to Null and wrench the Pinatas from the current incumbents....
If this is too much hard work or too complex you wont win EVE.


Careful it's not like CVA would be a hard nut to crack
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#220 - 2012-07-09 18:05:28 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Xython wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.


BoB. Respect?

Ow. My sense of irony just sprained itself.


It wasn't open to debate; attempting to rewrite history will not erase my memory.

It also was not my intention to remind you of painful truths to offend you; sorry if that was the impression you got.

AK



Cant say I ever respected BoB.