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Amarr FW is the best place for skirmish pvp in eve

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#21 - 2012-07-06 04:06:28 UTC
Minmatar numbers are greater in European prime time. Amarr numbers are greater during US prime time. When I was in Minmatar there was always a large presence on teamspeak. You might be off doing your own thing but if someone shouted everyone started to move in that direction. Amarr needs that desperately.
Amett
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-07-06 06:51:01 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Minmatar numbers are greater in European prime time. Amarr numbers are greater during US prime time. When I was in Minmatar there was always a large presence on teamspeak. You might be off doing your own thing but if someone shouted everyone started to move in that direction. Amarr needs that desperately.


yeah im only on during EU timezone so i dont know what the numbers are like during US, but that would explain alot of the back and forth "who has more" arguments.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-07-06 15:13:30 UTC
Halete wrote:
Wait a minute...

Wait a minute.

That moment when you realize there's so much complaints because people in factional warfare want carebearing, not warfare.


DING DING DING DING. WE HAVE A WINNER!

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-08 00:21:34 UTC
Get in a corp with a few buddies, fly what you can afford to lose and jump behind enemy lines. Its simple and its available for all factions, its the best buzz you can get, especially if your a team player and you work towards tactical goals.

No need for moaning, fight and die well, then get a new ship and repeat.

Unless ofc you die to PIEs, then the polite thing is to bombard local with relevant information pertaining to their heritage etc. Simples
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#25 - 2012-07-08 09:37:54 UTC
Sudden Buggery is signing up to the minnie side next week because, well, our Amarr standings were worse to begin with than the Minnie standings (but still, we need a week of humping missions).

...plus, I've shot TEST (aka Reddit) in Delve before, and will enjoy shooting TEST (aka Fweddit) in FW just as much. As much as a bunch of guys leaping into local and spewing memes and silliness could be seen as a joke, the fact that you can get guys to shoot at who care only about the shooting, not the politics and dramas and whose e-peen has the least goon slobber on its sack than the other guys, well, that's all for the best.

Yes, there's got to be bearing. Maybe the minnie dominate the territorial control at the moment. Maybe one mob has a bigger TZ presence than the other bunch. But so what? You've got to make your ISK somehow, and you may as well spend it PVPing versus accumulating ten digits of ISK. Can't take it with you.

Looking forward to this.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-08 10:41:57 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
will enjoy shooting TEST (aka Fweddit) in FW just as much..


We're not TEST you window licking ******, we have some people in the corp that are alt of TEST members but they're all in DELVE
Lexmana
#27 - 2012-07-08 10:47:10 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Sudden Buggery is signing up to the minnie side next week because, well, our Amarr standings were worse to begin with than the Minnie standings (but still, we need a week of humping missions).

Are you saying that you decline "the best place for skirmish PvP" because of a few points in standing difference that would probably not even be noticeable in you week of standing grind?

I am not criticizing you. You made the right decision. But lets be honest and state the true reason.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#28 - 2012-07-08 13:46:00 UTC
For every pilot out there that enjoys fighting against the odds there's another five that will join a curb stomp just because it's easy. Such is the nature of Eve...
Typo Interobang
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-09 16:44:26 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
We fight outnumberd


Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't.
Amett
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-07-10 08:34:01 UTC


You've got to make your ISK somehow, and you may as well spend it PVPing versus accumulating ten digits of ISK. Can't take it with you.

problem is, how u gonna make money when there are no systems to plex? minnies own all but 4 now. I wouldnt come for the isk thats for sure.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#31 - 2012-07-10 09:43:27 UTC
Amett wrote:


You've got to make your ISK somehow, and you may as well spend it PVPing versus accumulating ten digits of ISK. Can't take it with you.

problem is, how u gonna make money when there are no systems to plex? minnies own all but 4 now. I wouldnt come for the isk thats for sure.


They can plex in Caldari space.

Also, the numbers arguement is still bad. We can dominate in a single timezone yet still totally lose the plexing war in 2 other timezones. While in some situations it works out well, fighting a 10 man i.law/MT gang and a 30 man fweddit thrasher gang with 20 dudes might be 2:1 odds on paper, but as far as actual gang effectiveness, its a much more even fight than most people would think, especially when half of the Fweddit gang (bless their hearts) die in the first 20 seconds of the fight.

To be honest a lot of this arguement on why the Amarr are losing is stupid as neither side will ever really agree or see eye to eye. I feel like blaming things solely on game mechanics is lazy, but after being in FW for a little over a month now, I don't think its fair to minimize the effects of game mechanics on the Amarr militia and dismiss all complaints as whining when many of the post-Inferno Amarr joiners are just giving our assesments and evaluations of our experiences thus far. When they fixed plex bugging, we noticed a huge difference, when they removed the ewar, we noticed a huge difference. I can't speak to many of the bittervets claims blaming it on why they lost pre-Inferno, but as someone new to FW, I can say that we definitely noticed a change when these things were fixed.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#32 - 2012-07-10 09:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Amett wrote:
Milton Middleson wrote:
Amett wrote:

well to be fair you got alot of help from a certain goonswarm exploit


FW capture mechanics don't work like that. 24IC was on the ropes before Inferno because they were incompetent and disorganized. They've not made great strides since then.


well like i said i dont care, im just here for the fights, i`ll let you decide if goonswarm getting you to lvl 5 or not was helpful :)


Lets see who helped who? Legit minmatar plexers captured thousands of plexes and busted dozens of bunkers. This enable GS to reach whatever tier they liked. The only time GS went into low sec was to upgrade these systems.

Without minmatar the GS exploit would never have happened. Wthout GS the minmatar would still own all systems and would just push to upgrade their space on certain days like everyone else.

As far as matars place in FW goes, the sum of GS's contribution is negligible.

Though on a slightly different topic, i do think the penalties on income while losing in fw are far too harsh and make fighting back very hard if your new guys can barely afford suitable ships.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-07-10 11:30:00 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
Amett wrote:

well to be fair you got alot of help from a certain goonswarm exploit


FW capture mechanics don't work like that. 24IC was on the ropes before Inferno because they were incompetent and disorganized. They've not made great strides since then.

Amarr were on the ropes because of the differences in plexing requirements (frig for major vs AF/t2 cruiser or better) and the fact that you could flip a system using that plexing advantage in a very short amount of time which undid any work amarr had done earlier in the day before USTZ undid that work and flipped a system...
As soon as the e-war was turned off and amarr could speed tank like you have been for years, you dropped to tier 2 within a day or so (goon exploit was also stopped).

Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-10 11:39:09 UTC
Halete wrote:
Wait a minute...

Wait a minute.

That moment when you realize there's so much complaints because people in factional warfare want carebearing, not warfare.


I want the carebearing to stop.

:(

.

Ben Youssef Noban
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-07-10 14:12:29 UTC
Typo Interobang wrote:
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
We fight outnumberd


Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't.


Is whole of eve story.
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