Ships & Modules

Ganking works off of alpha though. A ganker would kill you before you had time to hit the button to start the ASB.

you dont really get how 'one shoting' works do you?

1 of Hulk with 2 Invuln Fields would give you the EHP to stave off a single volley in a system where Nado's don't have time to 2 shot and the booster would still rep close to the same with more then enough made in the extra buffer. 3 Reps and no resist boosts is a bit silly.

Everytime I see 1 Caty on a Hulk mail and empty midslots not filled Invuln II which miners have more then enough CPU for and are obviously not using the slot... Well I just don't know what to think.

@ OP Overheat time is not a problem, ganks don't last near long enough to burn out anything.

The problem with this is 98% of hulkaggeddon deaths are against afk miners. If you aren't afk you can warp to station before anyone ganks you. But if you are afk you can neither warp away or trigger your ASB.

Yes, but people will continue to do it until the changes actually happen. Particularly since most people don't understand the proposal, and just whined about the hulk not being the best mining ship anymore.

I guess you missed the part where the Goonswarm Federation has launched permanent Hulkageddon. Every ten hulk kills with verified API postings on Eve-Kill will automatically get you 100 million ISK. You don't even need to do anything other than kill hulks. The money will just appear in your wallet a few hours after your ten kills. This emergent game play program is projected to keep running as long as we continue having more money than god. There's also Junior League Hulkageddon; every ten regular barge kills will get you 10 million ISK! This will also go on effectively forever and you get your reward the same way.

As for ASBs; they will probably prevent a small group of Catalysts from blapping your hulk. They won't do a damn thing to stop a Tornado from one shotting you. Even though an ASB will likely stop destroyers from taking you out, the fact that no miner is ever actually playing the game, means the ASB will never get activated.

Edit: The planned barge overhaul is awesome and I can't wait to see Hulks continuing to die in large numbers because no one is going to sacrifice yield for survivability. They don't now, they won't then.

You have the correct mind set and would likely be a person who is difficult to suicide gank. The problem is that the vast, vast majority of miners are either not tabbed into the game at all or are actually robots. Fitting a module like the ASB would be a pretty good way to prevent a good number of suicide ganks but a player needs to actually be present at their keyboard to turn it on.

Same deal with using mining Rokhs. Their yield isn't that much worse than a Hulk and they are nearly impossible to effectively suicide gank but that small percentage reduction in yield is enough for most imbeciles to continue flying tissue paper ships. The more amusing delusional miners are those who feel that that small percentage increase in yield is covering the cost of their ganked hulks.

Mining Barges are getting a large overhaul in the winter expansion with the small one having the effective tank of a battleship but low yield, the mid range having a massive cargo hold and middling tank and the big one having huge yield, middling cargo and tissue paper tank. This applies to both the T1 & T2 models. A new sort of ORE mining frigate will also be introduced as a stepping stone into specialized mining ships and to replace the various mining racial frigates which are getting revamped for combat.

Its a pretty nice series of changes that unfortunately doesn't fix the easily automated nature of mining. And the incredibly boring game play of mining which makes automating it so appealing.

Botting is pretty much inevitable regardless of any reasons. It's simple and makes money, therefore there will always be people trying to bot it no matter how fun it is or isn't.

with no resist mods (as seen in the op) hulk has 9.2k ehp to rf emp. and his 2 MFSE. I think were supposed to be shield hp rigs which bump the hulk up to 10.2k ehp to rf emp. a tornado can beat those numbers.

also nothing stopping you from using 2 rounds rf emp, and 6 quake (and hit those exp/kin holes in armor!).

Although I very rarely touch a mining barge now, I can tell you by reading other posts on the forums that any form of shield booster is essentially useless in defending against a gank. You are far better off fitting the ship for the maximum amount of buffer, which with good skills (most miners don't seem to have) you can squeeze almost 30K or more EHP out of them, which is more then enough to deter your average ganker.

This max yield BS is just that, BS. It works the same way if you take an armageddon and stack 7 mega pulses and fill its lows with damage mods, and then try and go fight with it, It's the same idea thats been used with these hulks. You'll live longer, and you'll see MORE yield over time from a fully tanked hulk, compared to an untanked one.

Miners need to understand the basics of this game. It is a non-consensual PVP based game. There is no AFK income, and there never will be. If you worked in the mines in real life, would you turn on the drill and walk away and leave it on its own? No. If your not willing to stay there with your ship while it works, you don't deserve to own that ship, and you don't deserve the income it produces. Thankfully those at Goonswarm are encouraging people to be the ones to take that away from you.

I will be there the day these barge changes hit TQ. And I will be one of the first people to laugh at the moron who loses a skiff to a single catalyst, because it's going to happen.