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Why do you alt post?

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None ofthe Above
#161 - 2012-07-05 20:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Vicky Somers wrote:
All I have is alts.


This.

I find it profoundly amusing that some people derive a sense of elitism from posting on a particular pseudonym over another. They are all alts, in the sense of alternative personalities.

Also things like this:

http://fiddlersedge.blogspot.com/2012/07/white-rose-conventicle.html

Sensible precautions, which some like to bait the practitioners by calling "fear". It's not fear when we lock our front door when leaving our residences nor when we buckle up our seat belts in our cars. It is taking sensible precautions. All the name calling and baiting is designed to get you to abandon sense and do something that leaves you unnecessarily vulnerable.

So:

Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
As a general rule, I do not post on my main. I don't need crazy following me into the game. If I was required to post on my main, I'd stop posting.


When a topic has relevance to stuff doing in game I do frequently post with a "main". But when discussing game balance or other activity that has zero to do with in-game activity and it makes no sense to expose that character and corp mates; posting on an alt that has no in game presence at risk makes more sense.

After all ideas to improve the game should stand or fall on their own merit.

So I say, post with your alt unless you have reason to do otherwise.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-07-05 20:15:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law.


Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth.

Just fyi, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. And besides, it's more fun to watch you keep slandering yourself time and time again while trying to slander goons, four years after you claim it happened.

Of course, you'll do all this while claiming we're the ones taking the game too seriously, while most goons wouldn't even have known about your supposed past until you rub it in everyone's faces. Repeatedly. In public.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#163 - 2012-07-05 20:19:13 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth.

Actually, no one but you really cares about this.

Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad.


Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Cool

But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site. I think he's currently claiming the crackerjax mirror is a complete fabrication (which is a pretty tinfoily thing to say) but it should be possible for him to demonstrate the truth of his words by a webcache of the goon-controlled site that shows a different content.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2012-07-05 20:21:58 UTC
Hang on while I make up a wiki and put it up somewhere, then I'll put up slander about myself and claim it's actually something Jade has written and put up on his wiki.

Proof? I don't need no proof, it's on the internet, that's all the proof you need.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Price Check Aisle3
#165 - 2012-07-05 20:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Price Check Aisle3
Jade Constantine wrote:
Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Cool

Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page. Roll
E: lol, I can't brain today...

Jade Constantine wrote:
But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site.

If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members.
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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#166 - 2012-07-05 20:24:22 UTC
Paranoia, plain and simple. I've got it in spades IRL and Eve only exacerbates it.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....

None ofthe Above
#167 - 2012-07-05 20:28:12 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Paranoia, plain and simple. I've got it in spades IRL and Eve only exacerbates it.


I like to call that "sufficiently paranoid"

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#168 - 2012-07-05 20:28:15 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Cool

Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page. Roll

Jade Constantine wrote:
But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site.

If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members.



If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread. He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original.

Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing.

I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation.


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#169 - 2012-07-05 20:29:57 UTC
What is an Alt poast please ? Straight


Lol


Serioulsy though, trolling, anonymity, paranoia, lots of other reasons, all of these ?

Who knows.

Personally, I read posts made by Alt's far less seriously than posts made by known players ingame, that's a fact.


Katja Faith
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-07-05 20:33:49 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
I find it profoundly amusing that some people derive a sense of elitism from posting on a particular pseudonym over another. They are all alts, in the sense of alternative personalities.


This, +100. The whole notion of "mains" is ludicrous, and wholly irrelevent except to those that paid billions for a toon in the Character Bazaar (says the ALT who regularly builds and sells toons on the Bazaar). Never bought a toon in my life, although I have sold more than a few. ;-)
Powers Sa
#171 - 2012-07-05 20:37:41 UTC
A few of us were having a pretty trolly arguement about the war with Star Fraction. Someone was claiming the war went mutual at some point, but none of us could find a mutual declaration. So instead of doing any real work, would you like to clear that up for us Jade? I'm pretty sure that you didn't declare mutual.

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Price Check Aisle3
#172 - 2012-07-05 20:39:02 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror

Well, the proof is (ostensibly) on a private site so there's no real way for you to disprove him. Might as well quit spamming the slanderous link and making yourself look bad.

Jade Constantine wrote:
I might still take exception to the criminal slander of course, but at least there wouldn't be so much lying about the situation.

If it's a private site there's nothing to take exception to.
  • Karl Hobb IATS
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#173 - 2012-07-05 20:39:09 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
A few of us were having a pretty trolly arguement about the war with Star Fraction. Someone was claiming the war went mutual at some point, but none of us could find a mutual declaration. So instead of doing any real work, would you like to clear that up for us Jade? I'm pretty sure that you didn't declare mutual.

He did not. Mutual wars cannot have allies for the defender, as there is no "defender".

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-07-05 20:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Jade Constantine wrote:
If it was an accurate copy then it means "zim" has been telling fibs on this thread.

I have not.

Jade Constantine wrote:
He's basically saying the crackerjax one was not an accurate mirror and denying the page slandering me there with a RL picture was present in the goon original.

What I'm saying is that the crackerjax site isn't a goon site, and I'm not going to vouch in any way, shape or form for its content, and that for all we know it's something you've fabricated to slander goonswarm over something you claim happened 4 years ago.

Do you have proof?

Jade Constantine wrote:
Now he decided to come clean and post "hey it was a private site and we can post what the heck we want about other eve players there" then that's one thing.

Oh, and just FYI, that's not my alt.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Pipa Porto
#175 - 2012-07-05 21:21:38 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things.


What "things" are you talking about here "zim"? Because I'm saying that yes, Goonswarm did host several websites that were linked from poison-pen letters sent to my RL employers with the express intent of getting me fired from my job. And you guys do still host a goonwiki that has my RL photograph alongside an allegation of child-sex abuse.

Nobody sensible "wants" to be associated with these things, and I think no gamer really wants to be associated with a community that makes and sustains such allegations to "win" in-game political campaigns either.

How about you remove the websites in question and perhaps we can all stop talking about these things?



Prove that the Website exists and further prove that it is hosted or otherwise controlled by Goonswarm leadership or members.

You are making the allegation. The burden of proof is on you.



Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
It's hard to take down a webcache.


http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Jade_Constantine.html

Doesn't look like a webcache to me.


crackerjax.org Doesn't look like a GSF site to me. Looks like it's owned by an anonymous user of some Canadian Registrar.

Goonfleet.com's owned by an anonymous user of GoDaddy.com, as is Goonswarm.com. Why would they use a Canadian registrar when they already have a relationship with america's worst registrar?

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-RubyPorto

Pipa Porto
#176 - 2012-07-05 21:30:58 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Then I'm sure we're all waiting for your goonwiki webcache evidence with baited breath. It should be quite simple for you to prove me wrong if you've been telling the truth.

Actually, no one but you really cares about this.

Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad.


Nice demonstration of alt use to support one's own argument for the thread Cool

But really, "zim" cannot be correct unless he proves his earlier assertion that the goon wiki mirror at http://crackerjax.org/gwiki/GoonWIki/wiki.goonfleet.com/Main_Page.html was not at one point an accurate copy of the goonwiki at the current site. I think he's currently claiming the crackerjax mirror is a complete fabrication (which is a pretty tinfoily thing to say) but it should be possible for him to demonstrate the truth of his words by a webcache of the goon-controlled site that shows a different content.



I'm just gonna drop these here, since you don't seem to understand the concept:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Holder_of_the_burden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

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Deriah Book
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2012-07-05 22:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Deriah Book
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
...Plus, alts are not taken as seriously, even if their contribution to the discussion is perfectly valid.

So, with that in mind, I would like to ask: Why do you alt post?...


To start with, I have only one account. I'm getting the impression that an 'alt' is a second or later account? Or does a non-primary character on one's only account count?

If it's the latter, then I will be perfectly honest and say that the reason I post under Deriah is that when I logged onto Eve forums for the first time I entered my password and Deriah was first in cue. I simply clicked my way forward without thinking about which character was being represented because... believe it or not, all of my Eve characters represent ME without discrepancy.

So, if this is an 'alt' there is your reason for the first post. Now the question is: Why do I continue to post with Deriah?

After establishing an "e-Personality" with Deriah I found no reason to cloud the issue by introducing my 'main'. I would like to further address the OP by saying that you may as well take Deriah seriously. At the very least as seriously as you would take my main's or even my own opinion. There is no difference in the three. Because, as I have stated previously, all of my Eve characters represent me without discrepancy. The reason I can say this with confidence may come as a shockingly obvious surprise.... All of my Eve characters, including those that will be on separate accounts in the future, are actually all...

Wait for it....

Me.

Hi. I'm Mark.

There is no Deriah. It's a fictional character made up of statistics and pixels. Granted, all those characteristics were initiated by me, Mark. I am not fictional. But Deriah, largely, is.

Just on the off chance that you are not completely familiar with how this process works: Deriah actually cannot, and does not, post on these forums. I, Mark, am doing all the posting.

So, how could you care which Eve character is in the upper left corner of the post here? It's me. It's always me. It can't be any other person than me.

Me? I, personally, don't take you all that seriously. Main or no. I hope you don't take that personally.
Vangelios
#178 - 2012-07-05 22:05:42 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
You hear it all the time. "Post with your main". I know I do, and I have good reasons for doing so. The main one is building an "e-Personality".


Good luck with your e-Personality thingy... hope it serves you well.
Meanwhile in real life...

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2012-07-05 22:06:17 UTC
Deriah Book wrote:
To start with, I have only one account. I'm getting the impression that an 'alt' is a second or later account? Or does a non-primary character on one's only account count?

Yes, it's got nothing to do with accounts, it's all about alternative characters.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#180 - 2012-07-05 22:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
George Whitebread wrote:
I have no alts. All my characters are my main character.

Besides, when discussing on a forum, people should reply to the post/argument - not the avatar. It's the same RL person behind my arguments no matter what character I'm posting with anyway.


AKA: Ad-hominem Avoidance, if we want to get technical.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"