Warfare & Tactics

Looking at dotlan, the SoCo has thousands of members in their coalition like the CFC. Why can't they field a fleets of matching sizes? They cry blob every time they lose, but clearly they have numbers to match the sizes of our fleets.

Is the real foul that our members being more willing to form up and lose ships than yours?

Grow a pair....just saying

Propaganda told me that CFC+Honeybadgers were going to put an end to ****-posting.

Propaganda lied.

'cause they bads

looks like CAOD is full and the excess terrible posting is being funnelled here.

Going by dotlan numbers, shouldn't your fleet members exceed 10k or something equally ridiculous?

Worst (and best) thing CCP has done for null lately is introducing TiDi .. allowed blob-fare to continue/increase. There will be no fun for you lot until you either give up the idea of having everything within 5 SC jumps blue or lobby the crap out of CCP to make null more than the obese waddling over to a fatty to sit on his face for a spell.

As for claims of blobbing: Does anyone in Eve invade/initiate a fight without being numerically superior/guaranteed success any more? .. just sayin'

Copy/Pasting your own post from another thread? That BR is not reality...where is the SoCo tengu fleet + losses in that BR?

Wow! Red alliance put a really good fight there. No shame in losing that battle. If that is what the north needs to defeat the south. 5 to 1 odds. Then I don't see this going well for the north. I do think the north will win alot of systems untill the south can start countering the super capitals much less the sub caps these guys are able to bring.

If the south is in this half @ss they will lose. Start dropping supers or go home. You cant defend your way to victory. Start attacking thier systems in north and south.

This war is already won. Possibly the largest super capital fleet ever assembled has been unleashed every day attacking system after system in Delve/Period Basis/Querious with no resistance. The SoCo has literally zero response to this. They do have heavy super capital numbers- but with absolutely no ability to reimburse them. While the northern forces could lose their entire super capital fleet and afford to pay for a new one (although supply would be the limiting factor there).

So, as far as the sov war is concerned, it's a moot point. There is no way the SoCo can defend it. These three regions will be taken, and they will be taken with rather alarming speed.

On the sub-capital front, the SoCo is outnumbered, to say the least. It is a bit ignorant of people to simply scream, "blobbers!", though. Having many members is one thing; having good morale and getting them to log in and fight for you is an entirely different matter. The CFC in particular is notoriously good at this. Even when losing literally thousands of Maelstroms and Drakes in Tenal and Venal, people logged in again and again, even if they knew they would be killed.

Flash to Delve- the CFC has lost a lot of drakes to bombing, and lost 150 of them yesterday in the big battle and it's surrounding skirmishes, but have yet to "welp" anything. Unlike the SoCo, who has properly welped a Loki fleet and lost loads of Tengus. Getting CFC people to log in and fleet up is not a problem, and won't be a problem seeing as the sub-capitals are doing almost nothing in the way of structure shoots (leaving that to the super capitals rampaging around).

The CFC/Honeybadgers *do not* have CTAs, never have and never will. The SoCo, on the other hand, does and is still having problems with people logging in. Yesterday was their best sub-capital performance in terms of kills and attendance...and they still lost the strategic objective along with the isk-war they seem to care so dearly about. This morning the most important station in all of Delve was up for grabs on the final timer, and they formed up pitiful numbers while the CFC logged in a standard 800 or so.

It's all about morale; the CFC is in bloodlust & conquer mode, and have very high participation. The SoCo is a patchwork , disorganized coalition, fighting a war they (and everyone else) know they can't win. Their poor participation numbers is just an extension of that.

As for after Delve/PB/Querious, -A-'s plan of just "retaking it when you get bored and leave" is an awfully risky strategy. Any sov grind against the CFC will take place dead center US TZ...a TZ dominated and completely controlled by the CFC. And with the enormous amount of Titans in possession of the CFC/HB, alongside jump clones and pod jumping, it's not exactly difficult to move between regions.

And that's if the CFC leaves at all; which is still a fairly big assumption.

I agree with most of your analysis, but the core reason here is SoCo simply dosen't have the vast resourses, mainly the massive amount of TEC that the CFC has to replace huge amounts of lost ships including supers, TEc is a great moral booster it seems

As a semi passive observer of this mess.

I see the issue is basically two fold Play styles and Resources

1.) The CFC and at least a few of its confeds are very much composed of the "I will do what I am told if I get to be on the winning side" PVPers the South has some, but are a lot more composed of the "I want to do it my way "

The "south" is composed of many alliances that have many corporations that are just strung together for null space access, not some higher calling to rule eve, so they honestly do not care about Delve, they only care about their home systems.If all the corporations of my my mains general size and compentace formed up and pulled a few of the other corporations in our alliance togethor it may be a force to reckon with. As it stands not sure anyone cares enough.

2.) The North has Tech for its resources to build ship replacements, so the ratting is just a bonus. If you are a hard core fleet pvpers your commitment of time to income activities is minor in CFC, just pay your monthly sub, rat while waiting for a fleet to form and your good. The South actually has to work at it they need to farm their anomolies, mine their sites, pay operating costs, etc. If they deploy they are out ships lost plus they ability to make income.

These two reasons are interdepndant the "hard core fleeters" won the tech and the tech keeps them around. If you splits the resources and forced half of CFC guys to carry their own financial cost and gave teh south the tech to hire them away then you may seem a really quick fall back to nuetrel sov gain.

tl;dr
"Passive" Tech ---> means more people in your corp willing to be good soldiers -->more stand up fleet wins

Mainly ratting income --> means lots of solo acts --> means good small fight performance, crappy blob performance --> iffy Sov war results.