EVE General Discussion

Ill look forward to it when they announce you can carry a sidearm and headshot people.

I already ranted on EVE24 news, so I'll just quote myself.



Addition to earlier rant:
I think Incarna's full implementation could be a very good addition to the game.
It depends on how CCP roll it out.

If they just want to create some mimickry of the STO C-Store e.g. it will fail. EVE playerbase is totally different.
And, no, I will not buy virtual clothes at prices like this either. No-one in his right mind will be so monocled. Even if they lowered the prices, I probably wouldn't.

I was amongst the many that protested against non-vanity items in C-store, too, btw and quit one of my accounts.

But: I also think that at the moment a certain... sub-species of players... is very loud and others don't even bother to go to the forums anymore to voice their opinions.

Because of that I think many are turned off by EVE as they think shooting the crap out of each other in 1000+ player Alliances is all the game has to offer and the only "right" way to go. While that is clearly not the case.

I think for those WiS - not as sole content, but as an additional incentive - will have something to offer once toons can actually meet. (And I don't mean cybers3x)

Last point: I don't want a FPS in the stations. That's BS. The Dust guys will be the great ground fighters, we are capsuleers.
Didn't see Ninjutsu skill as an option yet and don't want it either. Casinos, Bars, some interaction... Poker would be cool!

Iv been playing eve for around 4-5 years now (i think), and i was one of the people who where so looking forward to Incarna, but was so disapointed with what we where given, i would have rather waited the extra year for the full version of the Incarna EP to be rolled out rather than have what we currently have been given, i think CCP totaly screwed the pooch realeasing CQ in its present state, and whats worse is the NEX store, had i known it would be more expensive to step out of my ship and buy clothing that was worth more than my ship, i would,nt have botherd, yes there are free clothing options for us all, but when you dangle a golden carrot infront of someone's face like they have with the NEX store, its only natural to want said golden carrot, but not at those prices, whomever came up with the pricing of vanity items was seriously sniffing some strong ass solvents, i have 4 accounts and i sure as **** aint buying there content for 4 accounts at there current pricing regardless of how good it looks.

That said i really do hope that CCP makes good on the next Incarna EP and takes on board what there player base want from this next expansion, CQ to be optional, Lower prices on the NEX store vanity items, to be able to do more than just standing next to a corp mate and looking pretty, i want clubs bars and as a club/bar owner to be able to stream your own music (might be a big ask idk), stores, some sort of avitar interaction, gambling, customisation of vanity items by players and not just by the NEX store, im already sick of feeling like CCP's cash cow, i just hope and pray that CCP learns from its (HUGE HUGE HUGE) previous mistake in underestimating its customer base, we are not your endless suply of cash, i love eve but do not think for a second that alot of players are'nt at there breaking point with how we have been treated thus far, im sure the next EP will be the making or breaking of EVE Online.

Again people, who claim incarna has "tremendous potential" yet offer no concrete description of how, are just giving us smoke and mirrors. We have plenty of these vacuous posts in eve general already - including this very thread.

Virtual storeclerk and watching a computer avatar play cards are about the best we have so far. Is that the tremendous potential? I have been asking, and I have been listening, but that is all people are talking about.

Tell me what I missed or deal with the facts. But don't claim I'm yelling at or belitling people just because I am pointing out the facts about these posts.

* Possibility to do RP (many people enjoy it)
* Right step into "total immersion feeling" instead of playing enhanced Space Invaders. Want to feel like I AM in that world.
* IF they get the establishments in as planned, you can customize NPC talk in bars e.g. = neat way for Info trading
* Instead of spinning your ship in a self-hypnotizing manner when on station you can still interact with other players
* Friends/Enemies will feel more personal. Not just another ship you just blowed up or got blown up by.
* They could stream Shadoo's Armor HAC rage as a song in bars!!!
* Lots of further artistic potential IF they do it right

EVE was always about thinking beyond the simple mechanics... At least in the past. For some this could be a revival, actually.

Don't hold your breath.

OK, it's quite late in my timezone, just trying to make sense:

1) Many people do enjoy rp already as you mention. What is going to change with something new added to incarna?
For them to do RP it means to have the ability to meet in person. THIS is the NEW all of them are waiting for. Mind you, they will spend most of their time in space. But after like 3-5 hours doing whatever there, they will enjoy the cooldown RP fade out. It's like watching "Friday 13th". You chased and have been chased by Jason, some time to show how they lived on happily ever after until part II or something.

2) We have incarna you can see your body. Does that not cut it? What exactly are they going to add to incarna to make it cut it for you?

No, this was - as CCP themselves said - a testphase. I don't wanna sit in a hamster cage for the rest of my toon life. That is not it. For sure it ain't. If it was, I'd be like... like the ICE market. Static. Instead of - perhaps - ECstatic. Whatever... I already mentioned it is late around here, right? ;) See above. Being able to meet persons and interact with them is the NEW.

3) I'm not sure I follow what your saying here. Maybe this will be pretty nice.

In one of the original designs they said like: You own a bar, barkeeper texts & responses are for you to design. I cannot be bothered to find the link anymore. It was some interview or other with lots of pics way back. Who knows if such things are still part of their blueprints, but it would make the thing kewl...

4) I can interact with other players now. What will they add to incarna to change and improve that?
Once again, for some of us the feeling of "doing things in person" adds immersion. Also: If they can make it so that DUST players one day can meet with EVE players on stations to haggle shady deals... I think that would be awesome. (though I also think they need to be code wizards, but they have had some surprises up their sleeves in the past...)

5) How so? Because I see their avatar in the station and not just in the chat box?
Yes, please see point 4.

6) I can litsten to any music I want now. Why would I want to listen to someone else's music?
I listen to any playlist I made for myself, too. It's just an example, probably a bad one. If people could make music for EVE bars, you could have different bars with different flavors. Just like you and I perhaps don't go out to the same clubs Saturday nights. See above and combine with Info trading idea.

7) Pretty vague.

How can I not be vague about something if I haven't seen the final blueprint yet?

Now, I'm too old to set my expectations too high. And I'm not a stupid fanboy chanting EVE as a mantra daily either.
As stated in my prior posts, I think they could make something great out of Incarna and WiS in time.
And I can confirm that is something many people wait for.

I hope that answers your questions?

Totally agree. Working in a very global IT myself, I don't think the same people work on spaceships and avatars, just like don't work on databases.

Aurum = Big mistake. (but as long as only vanity stuff I don't care)

Other projects cannot be an excuse to let a race horse like EVE down.

Believe me, guys, I love spaceships. And trade. And pew pew. I just think WiS (ugly term, agreed) could add even more to it.
(as explained above)

I am really looking forward to it. After i joined my first proper corp in high sec we would joke about WTs not undocking, cause they were 'walking in station' and i thought 'lolwtf'

So yeah, it has been a long time coming, and i for one will be smiling big when my avatar opens that blasted door

What will make it even better is doing it in my very own Outpost. I really would like to set up a bar in the main Outpost, would be awesome.

And i want to be able to buy and smoke a cigar, drink beer and become intoxicated etc...

Well, there are people out there still wish Goons never happened, but you gave us lots of entertainment. Could be the same with RPers, right?
Wish SUAS was still with you, he'd write a song about it. ;) (which IS artistic expression, right? You goons just RP on YouTube these days, do it directly in the future...)

-1 for myself for answering a troll post....
-1 for the Lady also for not reading further wall of texts. There was more trolling material in my follow up posts.