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Are you looking forward to the full implementation of walking in stations?

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KhaelaMensha Khaine
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-09-22 17:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: KhaelaMensha Khaine
Mr M wrote:
What we have today is the basics for something that can grow into something much bigger. ...

You mean like 0.0 Sovreignty or Factional Warfare Or Wormholes Or Incursions Or Planetary Interaction or T3 ships?

CCP has a history of rolling out exciting new ideas in prototype format but then neglecting to expand on them in favour of pursuing even more "visionary new content". Thankfully, yes, there are now teams working on fixes, enhancements and improvements but they exist largely because of player feedback that more effort was needed to work on the existing content which we use everyday.

Given the above track record and the failure of the Incarna launch I'd say that people are justified in their concerns for the future.

Mr M wrote:
Without being immediately shot down with the latest catchphrase of "door simulation".

Let's not forget that the "door simulation" only exists today because CCP chose to TAKE AWAY our old hangar ship view for no good reason whatsoever.

Remember "spinning a ship" doesn't have to literally mean that. Part of the immersiveness of EvE for a pilot is actually seeing their ship while docked and being to access it as before (GUI functionality to access cargo etc). Clearly a static backdrop of a door isn't at all immersive but CCP decided to provide us with the option to see either that or CQ. Not really much of a choice, especially as a better one ALREADY existed. If it isn't broken, why fix it?

All this was NEEDLESSLY lost when Incarna came out and people turned off CQ. It's unsurprising that this is one of the first things CCP is addressing (see latest devblog).

The problem was never WIS per se but the way Incarna has been released.
i.e. Forced on us with bugs, performance issues and minimal functionality that gets boring very quickly.

IF CCP wanted to sell us the idea that WIS was going to be cool this was a pretty bad way to go about it and once you've disappointed people you have to work twice as hard again to impress them.

EDIT:
Changing the thread title to something different after receiving several replies can be misleading.
The original title read "Do you look forward to Incarna?"
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#22 - 2011-09-22 17:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Mr M wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Until somone can at least describe something that would be fun to do with incarna it's all smoke and mirrors.

I personally don't think faction warfare or ship spinning is fun, does it make it less important? What people need to realise is that there's lots of different aspects of Eve. Some like faction warfare, some like PVE. Some enjoy politics in huge alliances, and some enjoy marketing deals in Jita. It's a sandbox and there's no right or wrong way play it.

What I'm looking for is those who think walking in stations, bars and whatever may come will be fun. I want to hear about their hopes and expectations because I don't think it's being voiced enough.


Not voiced enough? Are you serious? It seems half the threads in eve general are about incarna. Yes the vast majority of the posts are voicing thier own opinion that it is a waste of time. But there are plenty of "incarna has huge potential" posts that offer no actual description of what that potential is other than virtual shopkeeper. IMO We don't need another thread with posts like that.

I'm sorry if you feel threatened by my question as to what exactly people think incarna can bring that has this potential. But it is a legitimate question and I will keep asking it.

What exactly is the hype about? There will be no combat. Is it all about being a virtual storeclerk? Will they take boosters off the market so I will have to get out my ship and go through a few more session changes to buy them? Am I suppose to be thrilled with that?

We already have incarna. Yes that right, it is here. Mittani already wants to do a "post-mortem" on it. You would think it was here and already died.

If a release that is called "incarna" that allows you to see your character walking around in a station is not actually incarna, what is?
Is it not incarna unless we have a promenade? Is it not incarna unless we have gallente cq? Its not incarna unless we can play virtual shopkeeper?

I'm actually starting to think the people making these vacuous posts claiming the "tremendous potential of incarna" actually work for competitors of ccp. They want to keep ccp away from FIS for another 2 or 3 years.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-09-22 18:55:57 UTC
No its horseshit.


I wanted my toon to be a hugely obese naked man covered in tats instead of what i got which is a Gap model just like everyone else
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#24 - 2011-09-22 18:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Deviana Sevidon
It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships counterstrike.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-22 19:00:42 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships countertrike.

Perhaps, but first and foremost, EVE is spaceships.

 "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive.-- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.-- A. Einstein

Barakkus
#26 - 2011-09-22 19:26:31 UTC
Yes, I have been waiting for it for 4 or 5 years now.
I'll probably get bored with it after an hour, but having more immersion in the game is a good thing. I just hope they get past this initial hump of having to devote so much time to walking and are able to devote equal amounts of resources between walking and flying soon.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-09-22 19:47:57 UTC
a lot, i mean A LOT of people want WIS,

its the fact that ccp wanted to force WIS that pissed people off.
also the fact that incarna was lame by every standard and didnt add any gameplay whatsoever.


learn to form valid points
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#28 - 2011-09-22 19:51:02 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Not voiced enough? Are you serious? It seems half the threads in eve general are about incarna. Yes the vast majority of the posts are voicing thier own opinion that it is a waste of time. But there are plenty of "incarna has huge potential" posts that offer no actual description of what that potential is other than virtual shopkeeper. IMO We don't need another thread with posts like that.

Yes, dead serious. I usually wear a funny hat when I'm not.

Belittling those with other opinions, saying that Incarna is dead, or accusing those with other views than your own to be saboteurs isn't constructive in any way for walking in stations. And as you say, that's the vast majority of the posts. That's why I want to hear more from the other side. The non positive has had more than their time to explain why CCP and/or Walking In Stations is bad, now I want to hear why the positive look forward to a new aspect of the game. But then we actually have to be quiet and listen. Shouting at the top of your lungs isn't a discussion. IMO

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Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-09-22 19:53:20 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
a lot, i mean A LOT of people want WIS,

its the fact that ccp wanted to force WIS that pissed people off.
also the fact that incarna was lame by every standard and didnt add any gameplay whatsoever.


learn to form valid points

I don't know that that's what pissed people off so much. I'd lean more toward the melting video cards or the complete and utter lack of content. Coupled with the fact that all of the development time went into WiS instead of into something that could have actually added game content, fixed bugs, or balanced game play.

Had WiS actually added something substantial to the game, I think it would have been more welcomed.

 "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive.-- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.-- A. Einstein

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#30 - 2011-09-22 19:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ingvar Angst
You know... one big appeal of Eve to me, in addition to the complex learning curve, was not having an avatar running around. Instead you were in the ship of your choice off doing whatever. I suppose WoW burned me out on the whole 'avatar' thing, where people actually gave a crap about your appearance (armor of the month, whatever). Eve, not having that, is/was refreshing.

I'll admit to being a little curious to WiS, might even try it a time or two, but I sincerely hope CCP leaves a place for us that simply enjoys being on a ship, running around in wormholes somewhere not caring what I look like. (Stealth "Please don't nerf wormholes" post)

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#31 - 2011-09-22 19:57:35 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
I just hope they get past this initial hump of having to devote so much time to walking and are able to devote equal amounts of resources between walking and flying soon.

When they're finished with the initial and time intensive work off crating a new graphical engine I believe they will spend more time on flying.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-09-22 20:24:08 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships counterstrike.

EVE is internet spaceships. Stop being dumb.

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Judge Ment
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
#33 - 2011-09-22 20:25:56 UTC
In my HONEST OPINION< F' NO
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#34 - 2011-09-22 20:27:22 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
It is narrow minded to think of EVE only as an internet spaceships counterstrike.

EVE is internet spaceships. Stop being dumb.

Eve is politics. Eve i scamming. Eve is marketing. Eve is going KEKEKEKEKEKEKE in local. Eve is a lot of different things.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-09-22 20:29:18 UTC
Mr M wrote:
Eve is going KEKEKEKEKEKEKE in local.

:cripes:

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Iceni
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-09-22 20:42:11 UTC
You might be interested in this thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10977

Should give you some info from the folks who are positive about WiS, and the counterpoint from those you call 'haters'.

My CQ door will open - Soon™

digitalwanderer
DW inc
#37 - 2011-09-22 20:44:19 UTC
If more than just walking is eventually implemented in incarna, and by that i mean for instance actually being able to influence events within that environment, such as carry out assinations or market domination or even a larger scale operation where a station can be effectively locked down in a situation of war, or trading information on rival corps and aliances, then walking in stations makes sense....It serves a gameplay purpose.



Doing it because it's something like a fashion show(Nex shop) and you can open up your own store or go to meetings with corp members......Things that in the big scheme of things have little to no influence in how the eve universe develops, no thanks...
Magda Sinitiainen
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-09-22 21:05:47 UTC
Totally green wet behind the ears rank amateur foolish newbie post here, please disregard.

It has become clear while reading through these forums for the past two weeks that there's an undercurrent of turmoil concerning the state of the game. It seems that no small part of it is also related to the new features and how they are meant to attract new people like me. I can only say as one brand new player that, while I am very impressed with avatar creation [from the surprisingly lifelike to the comically distorted], my experience with the Captains Quarters was notably lacklustre. Imagining a scaled-up virtual space with other players, I can only say that I don't believe this feature was made with me in mind. Perhaps more accurately, for me personally this is not really a selling point. However, while I don't know what game function it will serve, I could see people having a good time with it.

I'd... rather just be out there blowing things up.

Cool
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#39 - 2011-09-22 21:09:57 UTC
Why even ask for opinions if you are only interested in getting one answer (and willing to pay isk to get it, no less). Just make up an article and claim WiS is awesome and everyone wants it. What's next, paying people to say the US economy is doing great, the government accounting office is just a bunch of trolls?

No good deed goes unpunished

Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-09-22 21:12:20 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
... the US economy is a mess, BECAUSE the government accounting office is just a bunch of trolls.


Fixed your post. Big smile

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