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My last rant to CCP

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#121 - 2012-07-03 18:44:27 UTC
what do you need 250 billion isk for?

seriously, what are you going to do with it?
you can't take it with you, you can't sell it

all you can do is spend it, there is no prize for most isk, and you wouldn't be able to beat the top dog anyhow
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-07-03 18:48:06 UTC
Morganta wrote:
what do you need 250 billion isk for?

seriously, what are you going to do with it?
you can't take it with you, you can't sell it

all you can do is spend it, there is no prize for most isk, and you wouldn't be able to beat the top dog anyhow


He could spend it all on PLEX, load it all in to a rookie ship then fly around highsec until he gets ganked to create the most spectacular killmail ever. Or self-destruct it to remove them all from the game P

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#123 - 2012-07-03 19:04:31 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Morganta wrote:
what do you need 250 billion isk for?

seriously, what are you going to do with it?
you can't take it with you, you can't sell it

all you can do is spend it, there is no prize for most isk, and you wouldn't be able to beat the top dog anyhow


He could spend it all on PLEX, load it all in to a rookie ship then fly around highsec until he gets ganked to create the most spectacular killmail ever. Or self-destruct it to remove them all from the game P



YAY!!! PLEX piñata!!

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-07-03 19:17:13 UTC
LOL. What an ignorant, weak(it's hard to be weak on the interwebs), and helpless person.

Directed at OP ofc.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
#125 - 2012-07-03 19:26:13 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Morganta wrote:
what do you need 250 billion isk for?

seriously, what are you going to do with it?
you can't take it with you, you can't sell it

all you can do is spend it, there is no prize for most isk, and you wouldn't be able to beat the top dog anyhow


He could spend it all on PLEX, load it all in to a rookie ship then fly around highsec until he gets ganked to create the most spectacular killmail ever. Or self-destruct it to remove them all from the game P


I have always wanted to write to Bill Gates and ask him for $2,000,000 so I can load a Badger Mk II to capacity with PLEX and time how long it takes for me to get popped.

Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop

Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-07-03 19:38:29 UTC
Security ratings below -1.0 should be kill on sight by anybody in hi-sec. That way you can actively defend against most suicide gankers by killing them first.
Pipa Porto
#127 - 2012-07-03 19:41:18 UTC
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
Security ratings below -1.0 should be kill on sight by anybody in hi-sec. That way you can actively defend against most suicide gankers by killing them first.


1. A large number of gankers are -5 by now. Nobody shoots them first.
2. You can shoot them once they go GCC. A nado will kill Cats much faster than the cats will kill the tanked Hulk
3. You can suicide gank them.
4. Lowsec/Null allows you to do exactly what you're asking.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

ErrorRon
SniggWaffe
#128 - 2012-07-03 19:45:37 UTC
Ganking miners: legal game mechanic.
Paying people to gank miners: legal game mechanic.

Next whine post?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtItWL6GfSM CCP Gargant -  Dev of my heart.

Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-07-03 20:19:43 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
Security ratings below -1.0 should be kill on sight by anybody in hi-sec. That way you can actively defend against most suicide gankers by killing them first.


1. A large number of gankers are -5 by now. Nobody shoots them first.
2. You can shoot them once they go GCC. A nado will kill Cats much faster than the cats will kill the tanked Hulk
3. You can suicide gank them.
4. Lowsec/Null allows you to do exactly what you're asking.


Are -5 gankers able to be killed on sight by anybody in hisec, before they get GCC? I actually don't know the answer.

If not, isn't it ironic that you can defend yourself better in low/null than high?

Betrinna Cantis
#130 - 2012-07-03 20:33:24 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:

He choose to be a miner, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that People are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.


He chose to be a pirate, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that people are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox, but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to gank were ever and how ever they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.


See what I did there?

Point being, ANY changes to the game is inevitably going to ruin someone else's play style, CCP is walking a fine line.


I guess we will see when the results of the last survey are posted. If everyone that whines here actually filled it out.

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#131 - 2012-07-03 20:36:29 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Obmud wrote:

My vocabulary is not extended enough to understand the word pubbies but i agree somewhat with most of what you wrote. My point is, or actually something that's worth discussing is: Should it be possible to mine safely in Highsec, just as it is safe to run Missions ? Or in other words, did CCP intend to make a place where it's perfectly safe to mine ? If not, then you're in most parts right.


Sandbox. "Should' is not important. If someone is making it unsafe, you either find somewhere else to do it, or find a way to deal with the threat.

Quote:

As a sidenote, i'm not a miner, and actually would recommend to remove Concord altogether, just to be clear on this, if you're talking about a REAL sandbox then remove any NPC restrictions. I just like to see the other side of the argument as well thats all, and i'm ready to be convinced by the opposite if i'm wrong. The style of arguments that most people in here use though shows clearly that they rather bang the wardrums and show their e-peen instead of having an interesting discussion.


I wasn't really aiming most of that at you specifically, sorry.

A police force like Concord does actually make sense. I'm not so thrilled with them being invincible, but I spend literally no time in high sec, so I don't really care either way.

As far as my argument, it simply boils down to "There is no "should" in Eve". Doesn't matter if highsec should be safe, it isn't. It isn't because a group of corps, using in game resources, have banded together with the intent of making it unsafe, and they are fully within their rights to do so. It is now on the people who take offense to this to muster their own forces and come make us stop.

I'll advertise it again, VFK-IV. Deklein. That's where we are. Most of the game hates us, so anyone should be able to form a massive alliance to come and take us out. Don't blame the WarDec mechanics, in null, you don't need to wardec anyone, just fly out here and start shooting. Your force should be far bigger than ours. It would be dead simple to drive us out of eve forever.

So come do it. Stop whining and take your game back.


hey looksie, another goonie talking like they are some sort of authority. must run deep in goonie poonie land
and yes, that's right I called you a poonie, because the other word for VAG get's edited out. Poonie!
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#132 - 2012-07-03 20:47:55 UTC
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
Security ratings below -1.0 should be kill on sight by anybody in hi-sec. That way you can actively defend against most suicide gankers by killing them first.


1. A large number of gankers are -5 by now. Nobody shoots them first.
2. You can shoot them once they go GCC. A nado will kill Cats much faster than the cats will kill the tanked Hulk
3. You can suicide gank them.
4. Lowsec/Null allows you to do exactly what you're asking.


Are -5 gankers able to be killed on sight by anybody in hisec, before they get GCC? I actually don't know the answer.

If not, isn't it ironic that you can defend yourself better in low/null than high?


The answer is yes. You can shoot and you won't lose sec status either.

Killing em though is a little harder. Most -5ers learn quick (ie adapt) how to not get killed.
Betrinna Cantis
#133 - 2012-07-03 20:54:48 UTC
Sooo... high sec stat players still get gate gunned down in low sec for shooting someone. I thought Concord was not involved in low???

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#134 - 2012-07-03 22:11:11 UTC
Morganta wrote:
what do you need 250 billion isk for?

seriously, what are you going to do with it?
you can't take it with you, you can't sell it

all you can do is spend it, there is no prize for most isk, and you wouldn't be able to beat the top dog anyhow


I was wondering this myself, is it going to be used for something or just accumulate? This claim definitely smells of the farmyard to me.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

InternetSpaceship
Perkone
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-07-04 01:26:59 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:
Not defending the OP at all, nor the donkeys who cry on the forums but you assume too much about everybody's ability to forfeit their RL responsibilities for a game:


I have forfeited literally none of my real life responsibilities to join a nullsec corp. I don't know what you are talking about.

Quote:

Tough ****. That's Real Life. As MMO players gets older so their obligations increase and their time decreases.


Then I guess mining just isn't going to work for them.

Quote:

Not going to happen. People happen to have a life. "Making" a 0.0 alliance is easy, keeping it running is not. It's horrendously time consuming.


I too, have a life. I spend more time on the forums than I do in the game, but I can still be in a 0.0 alliance. It really isn't taking that much out of me.

Quote:

You wrongly assume people care enough to bother. You need a motivated core of dedicated players with a lot of game knowledge to setup an alliance that would EVER have any hope to run against a Technetium fuelled endless empire.


They care enough to rage and whine daily on the forums for ccp to ban or nerf us. Sorry that we know how to play Eve and you guys don't, but that isn't a reason to punish us.

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If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.

InternetSpaceship
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-07-04 01:29:56 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
I have to agree with the op.

He choose to be a miner, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that People are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.


You see, in a sandbox, we do have that right. We are stronger. Yeah, he can play however he wants, but that does not mean we are obligated to let him if we don't want to. If he wants to stop us, he shouldn't whine to ccp, he should try playing the game for once and doing something about it.

Make a mining corp. Mine with others. Get security and intel. PLAY THE GAME.
then why do you solely target miners, you can make more running lvl 4s or doing incursions. You are saying play the game but you target the minority in high sec.

Why dont you reign hell on all the "SafeHighSecPubbies" miners mission Runners, incursions etc. But you didnt you chose the soft option because they dont play the way you want and pat yourself on the back.

It's like watching a mentally ill child pulling legs off a fly.


Ganking exhumers when we control pretty much all the Technetium is making us way more money than running missions. You really are behind. Besides, who cares? NPCs just respawn anyway.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.

InternetSpaceship
Perkone
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-07-04 01:32:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Have you ever considered a lot of the playerbase don't give a crap about emergent game play and just want to have a game they can enjoy?


Yeah, they have that game. It's called WoW.

Quote:

When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. Big smile


Anyone have that MMO learning curve graph?

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.

InternetSpaceship
Perkone
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-07-04 01:37:21 UTC
dexington wrote:

This is not really a hi vs low sec problem, it's just possible to "exploit" the design of mining barges. Problem is that you can destroy a expensive ship, risk free with ships you get more or less for free. Mining is not exactly a high profit profession in hi-sec, so why should should it be so risky that the only safe why to do it is in low/null sec with corp support?


The word "exploit" is way too overused here. Nothing is being exploited here. Yes, barges and exhumers are expensive. This would presumably be for some rp bullship about expensive and delicate systems being needed to take apart asteroids and transporting them to your hold. More isk doesn't equal more power. Of course a cheap combat ship can pop a mining vessel in no time, it is designed to destroy, and will have a particularly easy time with a piece of manufacturing equipment.

People get the idea that hulks and the like are supposed to be plated with massive amounts of armor, but I don't see why. They're mining vessels, priority would be given to the hold capacity if anything, and besides, yes, an oil rig is made of heavy metal, but try hitting it with a tank shell and look at how long it can hold up under those circumstances.

What is happening is that miners are simply unwilling to adapt to be able to use those vessels. They have been presented a challenge in game, and are now whining for CCP to play the game for them to overcome that challenge. There are ways to mine safely in exhumers.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.

InternetSpaceship
Perkone
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-07-04 01:40:50 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I haven't read through the 5 pages of "HTFU", but I feel like an important point must be made:

It's Hulkageddon, not Hulkmania.


THANK YOU! That's been bothering me.


Now it just bothers me that we didn't name it Hulkamania.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.

InternetSpaceship
Perkone
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-07-04 01:45:25 UTC
kurg wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
(...)Stop mining in high sec, you carebear mining retards(...)



LOL! then folks question why these Goon @$$ clowns are ranked #1 R-Tards!


Your ROFL laden response has surely revealed your superior intellect.

Let's see. We all know that Hulkageddon is permanent, and that anyone can cash in. We know it is easy to gank exhumers, even in high sec. People are being repeatedly ganked in high sec, and CCP seems to not mind.

It really would seem the ******** choice would be to continue mining in high sec.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.