EVE General Discussion

Yeah, but he got everyone going pretty good...I'd say it's worthy of a 5 or 6/10, at least.

Are you so dense as to not understand that somebody giving a person/corp/website ISK via transaction, for whatever purpose, is not botting ?

With most lottery sites, a person is sending ISK to the owners for money for the lottery. This is not botting. Would me sending you ISK as a donation eb botting? If so, why even have the 'send money' option in game?

The isk making is not 'botted', it's made by other people sending ISK to the lottery owners via the provided in game transaction methods.

You evidence for this?

CCP from they one has acknowledged tacitly that botting happens. They of course have to be obscure as to what counter-measures they take because then botters can bypass them.

I think the important issue here is for people to realize that ALL botting cannot be banned, simply because it has become technologically trivial to imitate human player behavior. What CCP can do, and has been doing effectively, is mitigate the most damaging forms of botting, which are those linked to RMT and to automated resource extraction (not just mining, also ratting, ninja salvage bots etc).

Mitigation has been vigorous and all the data shows this.

So I think the botting issue is by now a storm in a teacup. There was a time CCP was messing that up, but no longer so.

Honestly, most people who are responding to this post have either A) not read it B) are confused or C) are just dumb, no offense.


1 Argument most of you are saying "oh its not botting because the transactions and contracts are through people" That to me is extremely derpy and stupid argument against why using a bot for lottery is ok, and not mining...

Answer this people ------> A bot, to mine, would move your ship, and mine for you... Just like the Bot for Lottery spams the chat, Both of which are allowing the other player to gain something which gives them ISK in the after math.

--------Are you guys following through? If you dont understand this part yet, its ok, re read it a few more times until it sinks in----------

Now what happens? the player comes back, turns off the mining bot, then under his own personal power refines the ore, and sells it on the market, making ISK......... The Lottery botter, turns off the Bot, concludes the Lottery, and hands out the money required.....<---------- Where the crypes is that any different between the two? THERE ISNT ONE.. Different Mechanics yes, but no different in the end. And same exact steps being taken in both instances.

If you were to argue against my point, you'd also in essence be saying that a person using missiles is not actually fighting, because it doesnt go along the same rules as a person using a gun in a fight.... BS.. its still fighting, same steps are being taken, different mechanics..

The OP is asking why CCP doesnt allow Mining Bots, which is NO DIFFERENT than lottery bots. Yet allows Lottery bots....

(Re read the OP's post, including mine a few times until it sinks in)

Without accepting the premise that all lotteries spam text using automated methods, and without getting technical (ie it is true that chat spaming is botting), I think there is a lack of nuance in making both equivalent.

Mining bots are bad for the game for a lot of reasons but the two main ones are:

1) Primary form of RMT supply

2) Lowers ore/mineral prices, making mining less profitable than it should

Lotteries are sometimes linked to RMT, but they are isk sinks for the most part. The isk they generate are used to fund null warfare and free accounts.

In this sense, without touching negatives, it has two positive effect:

1) Concentrates isk, and frezzes it from the market, allowing for profitable inflation speculation in reasonable timeframes

2) Creates liquidity at the highend which promotes the logistics chain to null - an important part of the game

So, botting on the service of lotteries only disadvantages lotteries that dont bot.

CCP doesn't have unlimited resources, and I would much rather have them prosecute the worse offenders than the less offensive one.

In a real life analogy, I would rather have then seek out the big cartels smuggling drugs, than the people smoking weed in their porch.

That said, they should be more proactive with chat botting, for example, be quicker in response to reporting.