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Question on T2 rig BPCs
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#1 - 2012-07-03 00:50:26 UTC
As a natural extension of digging everything out of mag sites, I've got a fairly significant stockpile of T2 rig BPCs. Occasionally one will sell on contract, but it seems pretty slow. Partially that's because lots of the BPCs produce more or less laughable rigs, but even the decent ones don't much move. So I've been considering building from them myself and seeing if the end products move any better. But since I've never really moved heavily into the production side of anything, I don't know exactly where to start.

My skills are in place (all relevant rigging skills to 4, most science skills in place and the ones that aren't are a skip and a jump from meeting the requirements, PE 5). I have sell orders to spare, so slow turnover isn't a huge issue.

But what am I still missing? It seems like something along the lines of a Large Trimark II BPC with ME 0 should be pretty profitable -- but the fact that no one is snatching it off of contracts makes me wonder. Are contracts just not somewhere manufacturers look for rig BPCs? Or is there some drawback to making these that I'm missing from my calculations?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-07-03 01:09:01 UTC
Manufacturers in general don't look at T2 BPC contracts. They invent their own T2 BPC, as otherwise it reduces their profits.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-07-03 01:10:44 UTC
I think it's just that T2 rig BPC manufacturing is just such a tiny market that there's next to no movement. I would guess that most manufacturers invent their own BPCs rather than watching contracts all day just hoping one will show up for them. Invention is far more reliable turnover.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-07-03 02:07:22 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Manufacturers in general don't look at T2 BPC contracts. They invent their own T2 BPC, as otherwise it reduces their profits.


Honestly, I'd question that. I don't think many sellers have the first idea what they're worth. It certainly isn't a consistent supply though, and if you have to keep lines running I wouldn't go that way either. At least invention is predictable.

I guess I'll bake a few of the better ones up and see how it goes.
Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-03 09:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobo Cindekela
its doubtful that anyone who is doing it will divulge intel

feel free to try and come tell us what you discover.

I wont hold my breath.

You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,  this is your final warning.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#6 - 2012-07-03 11:50:26 UTC
T2 Rig BPC's from mag sites. You have to face the fact that some of the rigs are pointless with not even 1 rig selling in an entire year. The Blue print is actually worthless 2 just stow it and forget about it or use it as can bait for some noob in high sec who see's a T2BPO. There are however good T2BPC's from mag sites ie cap and tank boosting ones that sell like hot cakes. These are very attractive to manufacture from with fairly nice margins between manufacturing and selling costs.
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-07-03 12:35:08 UTC
The margins are fat, but be prepared to sit on 'em for a while. They likely won't sell very quickly unless you price aggressively. Certain ones still make for a nice payday even if you just sell to buy orders, though.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-03 12:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
T2 Rig BPC's from mag sites. You have to face the fact that some of the rigs are pointless with not even 1 rig selling in an entire year. The Blue print is actually worthless 2 just stow it and forget about it or use it as can bait for some noob in high sec who see's a T2BPO. There are however good T2BPC's from mag sites ie cap and tank boosting ones that sell like hot cakes. These are very attractive to manufacture from with fairly nice margins between manufacturing and selling costs.


too bad that there are no T2 Rig BPOs in the Game... NBD tho we all know, that nobody knows more about industry than you do ;)

lmao

shar'ra phone home
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-07-03 12:51:40 UTC
T2 rigs are too expensive an item to enable a manufacturer to get a good sale volume. When I think I probably own over 50 ships, but only one of them has T2 rigs on (a pimped Legion that I haven't flown for ages), just replicating my experience as the average across the rest of the player base means they're niche items. T2's look tempting to build, but I stay well away from them as I like the stuff I make to actually sell.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-03 14:44:53 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
T2 Rig BPC's from mag sites. You have to face the fact that some of the rigs are pointless with not even 1 rig selling in an entire year. The Blue print is actually worthless 2 just stow it and forget about it or use it as can bait for some noob in high sec who see's a T2BPO. There are however good T2BPC's from mag sites ie cap and tank boosting ones that sell like hot cakes. These are very attractive to manufacture from with fairly nice margins between manufacturing and selling costs.
It just goes to show what we all expect from you Brewlar that i had to double check your post to make sure you werent complaining about T2BPO's

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-07-03 16:26:18 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
As a natural extension of digging everything out of mag sites, I've got a fairly significant stockpile of T2 rig BPCs. Occasionally one will sell on contract, but it seems pretty slow. Partially that's because lots of the BPCs produce more or less laughable rigs, but even the decent ones don't much move. So I've been considering building from them myself and seeing if the end products move any better. But since I've never really moved heavily into the production side of anything, I don't know exactly where to start.

My skills are in place (all relevant rigging skills to 4, most science skills in place and the ones that aren't are a skip and a jump from meeting the requirements, PE 5). I have sell orders to spare, so slow turnover isn't a huge issue.

But what am I still missing? It seems like something along the lines of a Large Trimark II BPC with ME 0 should be pretty profitable -- but the fact that no one is snatching it off of contracts makes me wonder. Are contracts just not somewhere manufacturers look for rig BPCs? Or is there some drawback to making these that I'm missing from my calculations?


From my experience T2 rig BPCs are currently MASSIVELY overpriced (yeah, yeah, whatever people are willing to pay: I'm not amongst those). I only do T2 rig invention if I plan to manufacture and use those rigs myself. More and faster isk in T1 rig production, in my experience.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#12 - 2012-07-03 19:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
T2 Rig BPC's from mag sites. You have to face the fact that some of the rigs are pointless with not even 1 rig selling in an entire year. The Blue print is actually worthless 2 just stow it and forget about it or use it as can bait for some noob in high sec who see's a T2BPO. There are however good T2BPC's from mag sites ie cap and tank boosting ones that sell like hot cakes. These are very attractive to manufacture from with fairly nice margins between manufacturing and selling costs.


too bad that there are no T2 Rig BPOs in the Game... NBD tho we all know, that nobody knows more about industry than you do ;)

lmao



I know there are no T2BPO's for rigs, what is your point?

T2BPO's are a terrible item for the game and CCP knows this otherwise they would have seeded T2BPO for rigs. T2 Rig manufacture is a fair system where noob and vet compete fairly with out CCP pets busting out rigs 24/7 at zero effort. If CCP scoped all T2 production like rigs, eve would be a great game, at the minute it's meh with all the CCP pets making isk with zero effort from legacy items.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-07-03 20:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

I know there are no T2BPO's for rigs, what is your point?


my bad, sorry im just so used to it that i frankly didnt even read your post. I just saw the highlighted T2 BPO again and thought its just one of your usuall posts,you`ve my apologies.

Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

T2BPO's are a terrible item for the game and CCP knows this otherwise they would have seeded T2BPO for rigs

If CCP would know that T2 BPO´s are that bad, they would have removed them FULL STOP

plz dont shi* up any thread with this crap and stay on the topic

shar'ra phone home
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#14 - 2012-07-03 20:51:33 UTC
there are are a few reasons.

1.
The current prices people demand on these T2 2 run BPC's is a bit much, leaving the manufacturer with little profit, honestly 10M on an item that sells extremly slowly isnt something I wish to put 20-110M on, Id rather buy minerals, because well, read onto number 2.

2.
the supply is not constant, simply put I run into T2 bpc's sometimes at acceptable prices but its random and very rare.

3.
The extreme profit margin only says one thing, there is an imminent crash, im not going to take the risk, even if they get cheep.


My advice, those few buyers, handpick the ones you think are big boys, and give then 50% discounts on large quantities, don't go all out into the open with low low prices, play it smart, play it right.
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#15 - 2012-07-08 07:07:16 UTC
I think the main issue is potential customers simply don't have the patience to dig through the contracts window looking for these things. My advice would be to put up an ad in the want to sell forum. List what you have and what you are willing to sell them for, or even set up an auction. Emphasize that these are ME 0 not ME -4 invented bluprints, and if they have multiple runs say so. If a little typing doesn't bother you list the resources required for manufacture, that should make the advantage of the low ME clearer to potential buyers.

I have recently been experimenting with T2 rig production, and just reading this thread motivated me to open my contracts window. Despite considerable experience with the contract window, I was unable to locate any of the blueprints you are talking about. You may be underestimating the barrier presented by the clutziness of the contract system.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#16 - 2012-07-08 23:21:30 UTC
I used to build a lot of T2 rigs (when I played the game), but the investment required for some of the higher end rigs such as a T2 L Trimark in the past sometimes like 300-500m in Intact Armour Plates for even using a 0ME BPC was risky considering Intact Armour Plates fluctuate whereas you can be sitting on the built L T2 Trimark for a while [Pretty much until some Supercap pilot replaces their ship] - During this time profit can vanish or even turn into a loss effectively depending on IAP price and competition.

TL:DR - Buying T2 0ME BPCs is risky coz T2 salvage prices fluctuate meaning when you actually sell the T2 Rig you can incur a loss due to even slight competition.