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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2012-08-01 08:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Marconus Orion
I spent some time today talking with a few friends of mine ranging from other game companies, power company, cycle club all the way up to Microsoft and Blizzard (sorry for bringing these guys up Ugh). I asked about minutes after meeting and how long they usually take to be presented to those who were there and those who were not. Obviously the time frame ranges from just a few minutes after the meeting up to a couple days after the meetings if they are from a convention or few days and such.

When I gave them the scenario of what we have here, few days, NDA stuff, volunteer, out of country and such. Told them it has been over two months. The reactions ranged from laughing out lout to total and complete shock. All said that something was seriously wrong and there is absolutely no reason something like that should take anywhere remotely close to that long.

Six out of the eight I talked to said it was most likely due to massive procrastination. I asked if they would be so kind to do the minutes for CSM on the next summit and my favorite reply was, "It doesn't take a professional to do minutes in a timely manner. Only effort and planning."

Cool story and stuff, but there you have it. Don't believe me ask for yourself. P
FistyMcBumBasher
State War Academy
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-08-01 10:15:26 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I spent some time today talking with a few friends of mine ranging from other game companies, power company, cycle club all the way up to Microsoft and Blizzard (sorry for bringing these guys up Ugh). I asked about minutes after meeting and how long they usually take to be presented to those who were there and those who were not. Obviously the time frame ranges from just a few minutes after the meeting up to a couple days after the meetings if they are from a convention or few days and such.

When I gave them the scenario of what we have here, few days, NDA stuff, volunteer, out of country and such. Told them it has been over two months. The reactions ranged from laughing out lout to total and complete shock. All said that something was seriously wrong and there is absolutely no reason something like that should take anywhere remotely close to that long.

Six out of the eight I talked to said it was most likely due to massive procrastination. I asked if they would be so kind to do the minutes for CSM on the next summit and my favorite reply was, "It doesn't take a professional to do minutes in a timely manner. Only effort and planning."

Cool story and stuff, but there you have it. Don't believe me ask for yourself. P



So you talked to at least 8 different friends about the CSM summer minutes and how unprofessional it was that a volunteer group has not released a 200 page document after only two months of work?

First off, I would like you to provide me with the 50 pages of minutes from these conversations you had with your 'friends', I would also like you to provide direct quotes and then get each one of them to proofread, correct, and then each individually approve of this document you are compiling.

After you have done that, go and get some respect for the Devs and CSM candidates who are working hard on keeping us updated on the games changes. How many other games do you play where minutes are actually released from meetings between player interest groups and developers?

Finally, I would like you to go and make some real friends because your current friends are definitely imaginary.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2012-08-01 13:54:20 UTC
FistyMcBumBasher wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
I spent some time today talking with a few friends of mine ranging from other game companies, power company, cycle club all the way up to Microsoft and Blizzard ....
First off, I would like you to provide me with the 50 pages of minutes from these conversations you had with your 'friends', I would also like you to provide direct quotes and then get each one of them to proofread, correct, and then each individually approve of this document you are compiling.
Agreed. It's already been four hours, probably longer, since he's talked to these "friends", and we still don't have the minutes. Where are they?
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#164 - 2012-08-01 14:54:44 UTC
Poetic, I love you, so I wrote a blog just for you:

CSM 7 Summer Update

CCP Manifest tells me that the Minutes should be out before the weekend.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2012-08-01 15:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Seleene wrote:
Poetic, I love you, so I wrote a blog just for you.
I don't need a blog post just for me. I'm quite happy to wait for the minutes. (Besides, we have a weekly bedtime reading on AUTOZ TS3, where Hans puts us all to sleep with a reading from the minutes. I especially like the part about the moose and the squirrel. Wait. What?)

I hope at the end of the session, you come out and tell us all who you thought were the stars of CSM7 and who should not seek re-election. After all, if you decide to run again, you don't want to work with slackers.

As for the upcoming Town Hall ... wait two or three weeks, so that the entirety of the minutes can be digested, and opinions bandied about. Questions will be more clear and pointed then.
None ofthe Above
#166 - 2012-08-01 15:54:55 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I spent some time today talking with a few friends of mine ranging from other game companies, power company, cycle club all the way up to Microsoft and Blizzard (sorry for bringing these guys up Ugh). I asked about minutes after meeting and how long they usually take to be presented to those who were there and those who were not. Obviously the time frame ranges from just a few minutes after the meeting up to a couple days after the meetings if they are from a convention or few days and such.

When I gave them the scenario of what we have here, few days, NDA stuff, volunteer, out of country and such. Told them it has been over two months. The reactions ranged from laughing out lout to total and complete shock. All said that something was seriously wrong and there is absolutely no reason something like that should take anywhere remotely close to that long.

Six out of the eight I talked to said it was most likely due to massive procrastination. I asked if they would be so kind to do the minutes for CSM on the next summit and my favorite reply was, "It doesn't take a professional to do minutes in a timely manner. Only effort and planning."

Cool story and stuff, but there you have it. Don't believe me ask for yourself. P


So I presume you are running next year and can show us how its done properly?

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2012-08-01 15:55:25 UTC
lol the hate.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#168 - 2012-08-01 16:46:19 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
lol the hate.


They're not hating, they're laughing at you for making a fool of yourself.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2012-08-01 17:53:11 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
lol the hate.


They're not hating, they're laughing at you for making a fool of yourself.

I don't care what they think about me. Over two months to produce minutes is unacceptable. What ever the bottleneck is, they need to fix it. Contract a professional for the days of the summit to take the minutes and a few days after to hammer them out while they are still fresh, 100% relevant and before people start going on vacation.

Oh well, guess I'm being too demanding. Is starting work on the minutes right after the summit is over out of the question? Instead of waiting till most of CCP is on vacation? And equally important is get rid of the dead weight in the CSM. Again, I guess that is too demanding/practical.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#170 - 2012-08-01 19:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
The problem is likely to be that this amazing document we're waiting for isn't "minutes" as most people understand the term.

66,000 words is something, but its not a brief summary of the positions and statements made by all sides at the CSM meetings.

Perhaps in the future you need to call it "a year in review" or "life the universe and CCP" or "my life in internet spaceships" and give the document the gravitas it so obviously deserves.

"minutes" of a meeting are generally brief summary documents listing participation and key positions. They are generally made available within a couple of days of the meeting taking place. This I think is what all the confusion is about.

CSM/CCP need to come up for another name for the huge weighty 66,000 word reports in the future.

(And probably also aim to release some actual "minutes" within a week of the meeting.)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-08-01 19:16:43 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The problem is likely to be that this amazing document we're waiting for isn't "minutes" as most people understand the term.
I specifically refer to it as the Summit Report in a number of places ... but the name never caught on (especially with the CSM), so I eventually reverted back to the more favoured use of Minutes.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#172 - 2012-08-01 19:28:39 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The problem is likely to be that this amazing document we're waiting for isn't "minutes" as most people understand the term.
I specifically refer to it as the Summit Report in a number of places ... but the name never caught on (especially with the CSM), so I eventually reverted back to the more favoured use of Minutes.

Or change it from "minutes" to "months".
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#173 - 2012-08-01 19:28:50 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The problem is likely to be that this amazing document we're waiting for isn't "minutes" as most people understand the term.
I specifically refer to it as the Summit Report in a number of places ... but the name never caught on (especially with the CSM), so I eventually reverted back to the more favoured use of Minutes.


Summit Report is a much better name.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-08-01 20:31:13 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The problem is likely to be that this amazing document we're waiting for isn't "minutes" as most people understand the term.
I specifically refer to it as the Summit Report in a number of places ... but the name never caught on (especially with the CSM), so I eventually reverted back to the more favoured use of Minutes.
Or change it from "minutes" to "months".
As bitter as you are, that was actually pretty damned funny. You should work on developing that side of your personality more.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#175 - 2012-08-01 21:19:45 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
mxzf wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
lol the hate.


They're not hating, they're laughing at you for making a fool of yourself.

I don't care what they think about me. Over two months to produce minutes is unacceptable. What ever the bottleneck is, they need to fix it. Contract a professional for the days of the summit to take the minutes and a few days after to hammer them out while they are still fresh, 100% relevant and before people start going on vacation.

Oh well, guess I'm being too demanding. Is starting work on the minutes right after the summit is over out of the question? Instead of waiting till most of CCP is on vacation? And equally important is get rid of the dead weight in the CSM. Again, I guess that is too demanding/practical.

When you are elected chairman for CSM8, will we see the minutes (All 200+ pages or whatever the count is right now) out 3 days after the first CSM meeting then?

I'm still not convinced that you actually read what they expect the minutes to include, so for me it's not about hate, or you being demanding or anything; It's that your butt is doing the typing, and it shows. If what the CSM and a few CCP people has said is true (The minutes are much, much longer than before and they primarily concern themselves with the winter '12 expansion), then I prefer this. You have something resembling the minutes you want (That is, quick outline and a few "we intend"'s) in Seleene's thread here, so please stop typing with your butt. You have the update you want in the time-frame you desire.
None ofthe Above
#176 - 2012-08-01 21:54:12 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

CSM/CCP need to come up for another name for the huge weighty 66,000 word reports in the future.

(And probably also aim to release some actual "minutes" within a week of the meeting.)


The timely minutes and then the longer report is an interesting proposal, worthy of consideration, IMHO.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2012-08-01 22:49:12 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

CSM/CCP need to come up for another name for the huge weighty 66,000 word reports in the future.

(And probably also aim to release some actual "minutes" within a week of the meeting.)


The timely minutes and then the longer report is an interesting proposal, worthy of consideration, IMHO.

Far better than what is currently happening. Also all information that the player base should know should in fact be found here in this forum. Not some blog found elsewhere. Don't you agree??
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-08-01 22:52:24 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Not some blog found elsewhere.
There's no pleasing you, eh? You got your minutes. 11K words by Seleene back in May. Now you're bitching that it was on his blog? He posted links to it all over the forums and Twitter, you know.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2012-08-01 23:00:28 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Not some blog found elsewhere.
There's no pleasing you, eh? You got your minutes. 11K words by Seleene back in May. Now you're bitching that it was on his blog? He posted links to it all over the forums and Twitter, you know.

What is wrong with posting the information here on EVE-Online forums? So if he gave out the minutes in his blog, what are they working on now?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-08-01 23:07:52 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Not some blog found elsewhere.
There's no pleasing you, eh? You got your minutes. 11K words by Seleene back in May. Now you're bitching that it was on his blog? He posted links to it all over the forums and Twitter, you know.

What is wrong with posting the information here on EVE-Online forums? So if he gave out the minutes in his blog, what are they working on now?
11K words do not fit on the forum. Nor can you post photos to the forum.