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CSM 7 Spring Summit minutes progress

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#1 - 2012-07-02 16:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
I know we have been a little slower than anyone would have liked on minutes, and I would like to let people know where we are with them. Everyone but Trebor got off to a very slow start, but we are now closing in on finishing them. They still need to go through NDA review and be edited, but in the interest of transparency, I wanted to share where we are on them.

Here are the sessions: (with people that signed up for each one in parens afterwards) and bold for done

Day 1
CSM Intro / Whitepaper (Trebor)
Stakeholder (Trebor)
Winter 2012 Expansion (Xhagen)
EVE Future (Xhagen)
State of Incarna (Alek)
Live Events (Elise)

Day 2
Corporation Management (Hans)
EVE/DUST Link (Two step)
EVE UI (Hans) (was Seleene)
Industry and Mining (Issler)
Nullsec (Alek)
Player Experience - Launcher (Trebor)
Starbase Rework (Two step)
Wardecs and Crimewatch (Hans)

Day 3
Art (Trebor) (was Greene Lee)
Content (Two step)
EVE Economy (Trebor)
Faction Warfare (Hans)
New Player Experience (Trebor)
Security (Dovinian)
Ship Balance (Elise)
Treaties (Hans) (was Seleene)

Hopefully we should be able to wrap up the remaining sessions in the next week and have the minutes out a week or two after that, at the latest.

Edit: The CSM is done with the first draft for all sessions. About 6 or so of them still need to go through NDA, and we need to do a quick edit pass on the last few sessions, but things are looking pretty good right now.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
SLYCE Pirates
#2 - 2012-07-02 16:11:57 UTC
Thanks for the updateLol

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.

Dovinian
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2012-07-02 16:12:30 UTC
Running Jump Freighter logistics for pretty much an entire coalition's war is taking it's toll on me, but I'm hoping to get to my session very soon.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-07-02 16:45:31 UTC
Big thanks to Two Step for organizing the project and keeping everyone on task. I wanted to add that while these are taking some time to produce, they are also the most transparent and detailed minutes I've ever seen come out of a summit session. Everyone's been doing a great job so far on the minutes that have been turned in. Assuming they stay relatively intact through the review process, I think everyone will be pleased with the results!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

joes Bazooka
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-03 07:28:50 UTC
Thanks for the update.
Rrama Ratamnim
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#6 - 2012-07-03 15:54:15 UTC
here's to hoping that the long delay will mean some of the minutes etc, will include stuff that was NDA'd before and will be opened up for those readers keeping track... as its been a while now and we're still waiting patiently, and the lack of real news on where things are going from now toward the short to distant future would be enlightening....

hopefully the minutes don't go out to the 3 week mark as thats a LOT more waiting :(

but thanks for update and thanks to those involved
None ofthe Above
#7 - 2012-07-03 23:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Thanks for the update.

I know it must have been information overload. So much more captured.

Have you considered breaking it up into chunks for release? The separate meetings? Perhaps we don't need it all at once. But the sooner we get the information the better. Just a thought.

PS - Or looks like day one is about ready.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#8 - 2012-07-04 00:45:35 UTC
Updated, just got first drafts of ship balance and industry and mining

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-07-05 06:37:40 UTC
It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Cid Tazer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-07-05 13:33:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes?


Well since this isn't a paid position, it's not like you can demand something be done within 24 hours. If you dislike how long a person is taking to do minutes, then remember that next time elections come up.

Alternatively, I'm sure the members who are not done yet could take some lighthearted teasing on twitter/forums. They seem to think they have a war to fight or something that might be taking away from their time to write up the minutes.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2012-07-05 13:59:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes?


Absolutely. We're already at over 120 pages, and that's not even including all of the sessions so far. Everyone asked for more transparency, this comes of course at the cost of added time, as we're finding out. Cool

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2012-07-05 16:10:42 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes?


Absolutely. We're already at over 120 pages, and that's not even including all of the sessions so far. Everyone asked for more transparency, this comes of course at the cost of added time, as we're finding out. Cool


Perhaps we mean different things by "first draft".

So what's the new ETA if I might ask?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2012-07-05 17:15:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Perhaps we mean different things by "first draft".

So what's the new ETA if I might ask?


Probably. When Two Step means "first draft" it's usually the completed session from the submitting member, the only revision past that point is a double-check for spelling, punctuation, and accuracy, plus a review by CCP to look for anything that might fall under the NDA (which shouldn't be much this time around). So by the time the "first draft" is submitted, 95% of the work has been done. I'ts just tidy-up work after that.

Probably another week or two I would imagine? I should be wrapping up the corp management session tonight, and will likely grab another one of the remaining sessions to work on over the weekend if they're not done by than.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Gevlin
HollowPoint Studios Inc.
#14 - 2012-07-06 03:07:45 UTC
it is nice to see the names next to those people working on the sections as this really shows who is doing the leg work for the CSM

keep working like Minmitar Slaves and Caldari Wage slaves. your work will be quickly consumed.... sadly you won't get much credit for it.

I for one appreciate the work you are doing.

question: does Trebor ever sleep?

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-07-06 09:35:01 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Perhaps we mean different things by "first draft".

So what's the new ETA if I might ask?


Probably. When Two Step means "first draft" it's usually the completed session from the submitting member, the only revision past that point is a double-check for spelling, punctuation, and accuracy, plus a review by CCP to look for anything that might fall under the NDA (which shouldn't be much this time around). So by the time the "first draft" is submitted, 95% of the work has been done. I'ts just tidy-up work after that.

Probably another week or two I would imagine? I should be wrapping up the corp management session tonight, and will likely grab another one of the remaining sessions to work on over the weekend if they're not done by than.



Excellent, I can hardly wait for the inevitable shitstorm that is your rightful reward!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-07-06 20:18:21 UTC
Hey, I had my *five* sessions done 10 days ago. Somewhere around 23,000 words.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

mmorpg lol
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#17 - 2012-07-06 22:43:42 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Hey, I had my *five* sessions done 10 days ago. Somewhere around 23,000 words.


I doubt anybody is mad at you, but the people who aren't done yet, especially seelene need to get to work. :p
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-07-07 00:28:14 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Hey, I had my *five* sessions done 10 days ago. Somewhere around 23,000 words.



Nice, you get five shitstorms!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-07-07 08:42:32 UTC
Release day 1!!!

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#20 - 2012-07-07 09:49:58 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes?


Absolutely. We're already at over 120 pages, and that's not even including all of the sessions so far. Everyone asked for more transparency, this comes of course at the cost of added time, as we're finding out. Cool

It is clearly unacceptable that you cannot give us more than before using less time than before and giving better insight and working qualitatively better!
I tell you, I am disgusted by your lack of worth ethics!


<3 you, and Trebor, and many other CSM members (Not Elise because she shot me, but otherwise!). Big smile
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