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Slam dunks, surprises, and upsets

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StarFleetCommander
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#21 - 2012-07-03 21:38:55 UTC
Fatyn wrote:
They tested, but in a black hole wormhole Cool


Nuff said
Ecaterina Andronescu
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#22 - 2012-07-03 21:50:02 UTC
They test it for several days... but not sure how come it came on top as a better setup..

ATX is not like ganking haulers in Jita..
Mystic Bull
Chaos From Order
#23 - 2012-07-03 22:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mystic Bull
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra... You're obviously gonna say it was a bad setup and yeah it's going to do very poorly against a team that knows what you have. Give us what the other team is fielding and we'd never lose a ship...I don't get into the tourney for this though and that's it for us.

We only did some of the stuff in the black hole wormhole. The other things we had to practice we used empty lowsec. You weren't the only team that can't figure out a good team and tried to meta game or whatever. Goons, rvb and others tried to with us as well. Meanwhile we just spent our time coming up with our own setup that was out of the box and good then practicing it. I'll never spend time on a tournament meant to see whos the best at a pvp fleet fight trying to figure out what the other guys are flying. That's where we're different and the tournament hasn't been a pvp one at least since AT5...
Royal Jedi
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#24 - 2012-07-03 22:35:21 UTC
Mystic Bull wrote:
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra... You're obviously gonna say it was a bad setup and yeah it's going to do very poorly against a team that knows what you have. Give us what the other team is fielding and we'd never lose a ship...I don't get into the tourney for this though and that's it for us.


Just LOL.
Alekto Descendant
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2012-07-03 22:39:34 UTC
Mystic Bull wrote:
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra... You're obviously gonna say it was a bad setup and yeah it's going to do very poorly against a team that knows what you have. Give us what the other team is fielding and we'd never lose a ship...I don't get into the tourney for this though and that's it for us.


Ok, same question as before;

What kind of team is the one you fielded strong against?
Mystic Bull
Chaos From Order
#26 - 2012-07-03 22:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mystic Bull
We practiced against several of the teams that were fielded including a 4 BC team, 3 tengus (and variations), Rattlesnake team, 3 brutix team with rep drones. Several sleipnir teams. Not saying we could beat every setup but we did test against the popular crap people bring every tourney and beat them all with it. Of course a new popular team emerged and so we needed to test against it. We were followed around by yet another spy so we wasted a couple of hours trying to get some fights in against it (we weren't changing our setup but figured VoC would bring the popular one).

Obviously we decided to go at that team before our match and you guys watched us kill our first team with that team. However, we had no idea that you would bring it, we just wanted to be able to fly against it if we saw it again for the 8th time. Just didn't get the practices in because of the spying and kudos for know the tracking disruptors would do away with our dps Big smile Either way, that's part of it (whatever you guys do) and I can tell other groups that don't do it, you have no shot no matter how good you are...
Royal Jedi
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#27 - 2012-07-03 23:10:21 UTC
Mystic Bull wrote:
We practiced against several of the teams that were fielded including a 4 BC team, 3 tengus (and variations), Rattlesnake team, 3 brutix team with rep drones. Several sleipnir teams. Not saying we could beat every setup but we did test against the popular crap people bring every tourney and beat them all with it. Of course a new popular team emerged and so we needed to test against it. We were followed around by yet another spy so we wasted a couple of hours trying to get some fights in against it (we weren't changing our setup but figured VoC would bring the popular one).

Obviously we decided to go at that team before our match and you guys watched us kill our first team with that team. However, we had no idea that you would bring it, we just wanted to be able to fly against it if we saw it again for the 8th time. Just didn't get the practices in because of the spying and kudos for know the tracking disruptors would do away with our dps Big smile Either way, that's part of it (whatever you guys do) and I can tell other groups that don't do it, you have no shot no matter how good you are...


Actually you did away with your DPS by mwding in circles, but thanks eitherway...
Mystic Bull
Chaos From Order
#28 - 2012-07-03 23:22:27 UTC

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Actually you did away with your DPS by mwding in circles, but thanks eitherway...


Lol, it looks good on this board when you say it. It's even funny. Truthful is something it's not though...

Didn't mean to derail the thread, this will be my last post here. We'll finish this tourney out and I'll put up a history CHFOR's tourney fights for any tourney fans or people that want to see what we went through in AT6-7-8-9 and now 10. The "meta-gamers" can have it.
Ecaterina Andronescu
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#29 - 2012-07-03 23:30:26 UTC
Wouldnt brag with that either.... most of your previous tournaments wins are by pure luck... facing teams that had crappier setups..
Also ... when you say you wanted to bring stuff out of the box.. make sure it works... (old saying here: if it aint broken dont fix it)
Still want to know how you fitted the sleips when you tested.. dont see how you could have won nados vs sleipnirs..
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#30 - 2012-07-03 23:39:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
Mystic Bull wrote:
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra... You're obviously gonna say it was a bad setup and yeah it's going to do very poorly against a team that knows what you have. Give us what the other team is fielding and we'd never lose a ship...I don't get into the tourney for this though and that's it for us.

We only did some of the stuff in the black hole wormhole. The other things we had to practice we used empty lowsec. You weren't the only team that can't figure out a good team and tried to meta game or whatever. Goons, rvb and others tried to with us as well. Meanwhile we just spent our time coming up with our own setup that was out of the box and good then practicing it. I'll never spend time on a tournament meant to see whos the best at a pvp fleet fight trying to figure out what the other guys are flying. That's where we're different and the tournament hasn't been a pvp one at least since AT5...



We had 1 spy that got into your testing WH with ease, we noticed the potential of the x2 sliepner, x3 merlin and scimi setup like everyone else with half a brain did. We barely "meta-gamed". If you cant spare the resources then you are going to fail.

We thought we were being inventive until we watched the first day of matches and or setup or something similar was field around 5-6 times. We expected people to realise how OP the merlin was, how good the rush sliepner was as it always has been but we never expected the exact same setup to be fielded so many times.

Spying has been around since the dawn of war and competition, deal with it. I have also watched all your previous ally tourny vids and tbh nothing impressive, bunch of ECM ships with missile spamage. Pretty much like how TQ is today.
Alekto Descendant
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#31 - 2012-07-04 00:12:40 UTC
For the record, yes I'm coming off like a ****, but im trying to make a point that I dont think spying or meta gaming contributed much to your round 1 loss. Lets go through your last post piece by piece

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We practiced against several of the teams that were fielded including a 4 BC team
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Ok lets start with this. Any combination of 4 BCs should kill your team. 4 Cyclones, tank your tornados, and **** your frigs, 4 Brutix have so much DPS, that starting at zero and overloading, they would be in Void range within seconds and tearing your tornados apart. same goes for Feroxs. Maybe you could beat Prophecys, but only becuase prophecys are truly ****** ships for the AT. Your choice to field Assualt frigs is good support, but without logistics, you cant keep them alive against a 4 BC team. you would have been better off with a mix of EAFs and T1 ewar frigs.

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3 tengus (and variations), Rattlesnake team, 3 brutix team with rep drones. Several sleipnir teams.

Im going to rush through these; 3 Tengus is a bad team. Everyone who tried it died in a fire, with the exception of team liquid, and only because they faced an even worse team. Rattlesnakes, or any drone based team would drop sentry drones and alpha your BCs right off the bat, they you'd have 4 AFs trying to break to rattlesnake tanks... GG. 3 Brtuix would have raped you. So much speed and fire power, they would have torn your AFs apart, and then killed your torandos while they tried and failed to kite.You saw what a sleipner team did to you. Sleips are the arch enemy to your team, and historically the most popular AT ship fielded. the fact that you didn't figure out how deadly a sleipner team is to your set up confuses the hell out of me.

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Not saying we could beat every setup but we did test against the popular crap people bring every tourney and beat them all with it. Of course a new popular team emerged and so we needed to test against it. We were followed around by yet another spy so we wasted a couple of hours trying to get some fights in against it (we weren't changing our setup but figured VoC would bring the popular one).


wait. so. you figured VoC would bring the team they did, AND saw that it was the most popular team being used, but because a spy fallowed you around, you guys said 'eh, w/e, lets roll the dice,' instead of just testing anyways, when youve allready said you thought people were spying on you?

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Obviously we decided to go at that team before our match and you guys watched us kill our first team with that team. However, we had no idea that you would bring it, we just wanted to be able to fly against it if we saw it again for the 8th time. Just didn't get the practices in because of the spying and kudos for know the tracking disruptors would do away with our dpsBig smile Either way, that's part of it (whatever you guys do) and I can tell other groups that don't do it, you have no shot no matter how good you are...

ok, I don't understand your first sentence at all. I think your saying you did test against the popular sleipner team... which is contradictory to your earlier statement, but i'm willing to ignore that.

And really???? your giving Kudos that another AT team brought TDs to a AT match? I mean common, I hate to break it to you, but more ships then Tornados are affected by TDs... like ALMOST EVERY SHIP IN THE GAME. You accusing the enemy if beating you for the sole reason that they brought the most common EWAR used in the AT?


Yes. I'm glad you dont feel like competing in the AT anymore. Hopefully, next year a good team will take the spot you have been stealing from all the decent alliacnes out ther
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#32 - 2012-07-04 00:40:57 UTC
Mystic Bull wrote:
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra...


How dare you associate us with talentless blobbing hacks known as PL and the station hugging chickenshit cowards known as Hydra.
Royal Jedi
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#33 - 2012-07-04 00:41:45 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Mystic Bull wrote:
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra...


How dare you associate us with talentless blobbing hacks known as PL and the station hugging chickenshit cowards known as Hydra.


It really is your mission to have everyone in EVE hate you, isnt it?
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#34 - 2012-07-04 00:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
Royal Jedi wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Mystic Bull wrote:
We knew it was a bad draw when we were fighting a team tied to PL and Hydra...


How dare you associate us with talentless blobbing hacks known as PL and the station hugging chickenshit cowards known as Hydra.


It really is your mission to have everyone in EVE hate you, isnt it?


What? Everyone loves me.

In other news, I can't wait for darkside's tears when they find out about my little spai.
Gobbins
Pandemic Horde Hld.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-07-04 09:38:31 UTC
why cant you just admit it was a bad setup, you just look like a babby
Gobbins
Pandemic Horde Hld.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2012-07-04 09:42:08 UTC
another thing, do you think you are the only ones targeted by metagame? try to look at duncans report from last years alliance tourney and tell me what happened to PLs B team

the dreams of a little kid, a crippled little kid at that, were shattered by the infamous use of metagame by the dishonorable Canadian. Do you see any posts complaining about it? No because we just took it in the ass while everyone laughed at us and rolled home. And now its a new year :3
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#37 - 2012-07-04 11:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Quaan
Mystic Bull wrote:
Meanwhile we just spent our time coming up with our own setup that was out of the box and good then practicing it.

I found the flaw in your preparations.

edit: Also, your Huginn pilot is ****.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#38 - 2012-07-04 11:21:26 UTC
Messoroz wrote:

What? Everyone loves me.


Sorry, wasn´t even aware that you exist.
Fish Brain
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#39 - 2012-07-04 11:34:35 UTC
Spymasters cripple fight ITT.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#40 - 2012-07-04 11:34:48 UTC
StoneCold wrote:
Messoroz wrote:

What? Everyone loves me.


Sorry, wasn´t even aware that you exist.


Wish I was this guy
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