EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

For tourney, the ancillary pretty much makes it all minmatar with the minmi bc shield booster bonus. and with the short tourney lengths, the ancillary's weakness of cap usage won't really have a point. Merlin of course since it has the ancillary usage combined with shield resist as well.

Agree with Zastrow. I think in the 6v6 matches, it gives much needed support and stability to any fleet and augments the logi on the field.

It may not be as big of a problem in 12v12 as in 6v6 (which I have warned about over a month ago), but it is still a significant advantage to shield setups, which are already slightly better for various reasons.

There may be not as many all-ASB-no-logi setups in 12v12, but there is almost no reason to not fit an ASB in addition to a logi. The amount of DPS you need to apply to, say, an ASB-Sleipnir repped by a scimi so that it tanks less EHP before exploding than a buffer fit Sleipnir is not in the realm of reasonable. You only need to get 5-6 ASB activations to top the EHP of a regular buffer sleipnir.

Also, in 12v12, it is possible to arrange cap-chains (like one we saw in AT8, I believe) so that the ASB can be run from cap, and no ships can be killed.

I implore CCP to ban the ASB from 12v12 matches (and strongly consider nerfing it on TQ).

so the good pilots of darkside really did leave

BAAAAAAAAAAAAW we can't think around it so nerf it.


Man, weak sause faffy, very weak.


You're an idiot, anything that makes solo small gangs stronger should stay in the game, you're absolutely off the farm if you think its overpowered. It makes smaller gang engagements better and at the same time doesn't scale well to fleet warfare, its actually the perfect addition

Did you know Darkside has literally cried over just about everything in this tourney?

The ASB does improve solo and small gang warfare, which is definitely a good thing. What isn't good is that armor ships have not received anything remotely as useful. I would definitely support some kind of armor-buff-for-small-gangs in lieu of nerfing the ASB. As this obviously can't be done in time for the 12v12 ATX matches, my recommendation is to ban the use of ASBs.

P.S. I'm not a veteran forum warrior; are PL always incapable of civil discussion, or is it just their reaction to me?

Hit the nail on the head there snig. The workaround. The real strategy to beat it I have trouble seeing. If you run shield, fit the ancillary. Here is how I break it down and how it really makes it a difficult fit into promoting diverse fits in ATX, at least for the 6 man

The main thing, is that being local, it cannot be jammed. You have about 10 cycles or 40 seconds (just guestimates since don't have the numbers handy) of powerful active rep. The disadvantage really is only the cpu and pg used for that bit since while charges, it does not use cap.

For the logi, an ancillary, at least in the short term does more than the old logi drone swarms, but cannot be smartbombed. need to overwhelm with dps. DPS that favors the shield ships. That bit of charging would do more than any passive tank would. Ergo any dps setup would run this. Sliep and minmatar the logical choice with their booster bonus. Might see caldari for resistance, but dps is king so probably will have to wait and see.

Anybody using armor, will not be able to slug it out, No damage mods. They will rely on ewar and just heavy buffer to try and hold out til they drain the cap charges and break whatever shield logistic. For the 6 man, pretty tough, but in the 12 man, large ewar fleets might do alot better. Hopefully more function from the Talos and it's damage output. Of course in the end, that is the ancillary's weakness is the lack of buffer. An armor fleet would be able to more easily mess up the logistics ships and bleed past the ASB.

Well, will have to see. The module is pretty effective early game, but to me it appears to be a matter of survival. In these 6 man fleets at the moment, the damage just is too low on non ASB fleets to cause damage before their team takes losses. In the 12 man, I am waiting to see how well the good bomber squads might fare. Without traditional buffer tank, that might end up being the big weakness, an initial alpha damage spread.