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Fighting bad forum habits and unconcious racism

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#1 - 2012-07-01 15:53:32 UTC
It has come to my attention that lately CCP has, finally, started to do something about the cesspool that is these forums. For too long posters have been free to use deregatory words and insults freely, with only a few being blocked. The two 'n' words, those descriping differently sexualized people and toilet related words are amongst a rather incomplete set of words being caught by the forum filters.

However there is a dissonance between CCP declaring (quite rightly imo) the use of the name of a certain etnicity as being a bannable offense, without putting the word on the filter list. Not everyone new that comes to this forum would be aware of the strict policies in place and in order to protect them we need that word, and any others similar to it, to be censored automatically.

Nyan
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-01 15:59:35 UTC
Yeah CCP, wtf. I read a word the other day and it hurt so bad. :(
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-01 16:11:34 UTC
Great post but wrongly titled.

That racism on these Forums is quite 'concious' indeed. There is no 'un-' about it.
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-01 16:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
You seem like the type of person that would have "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" banned.

I don't like you.

While this is a sensitive topic, special care needs to be taken in handling the way the posts are handled. Please stay within the boundaries of the thread. This post is veering off topic. Please treat this comment as a first notification to please stay on topic and don't attempt to broaden the subject.

ISD Tyrozan
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-01 16:23:06 UTC
Dersk wrote:
You seem like the type of person that would have "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" banned.




You do know what it means when you 'assume' something, don't you ?

Racism depicted in classic fiction of it's time is a different can of worms than spewing such nonsense in a Public Forum, and the OP hints at nothing of the sort.

Get out with your bad attitude, or take a class in how to use your brain to argue, not assigning behaviors that are actually irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-07-01 16:30:16 UTC
I've never seen any hints of racism on these forums.

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Price Check Aisle3
#7 - 2012-07-01 16:32:36 UTC
Can you link any examples of this "unconcious racism" from the front page? Or are we talking about threads posted before CCP had a talk about the word "Jew" and it's use? Because we've already gone over this.
  • Karl Hobb IATS
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#8 - 2012-07-01 16:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Misanth
Infinitio Krystallos wrote:
Dersk wrote:
You seem like the type of person that would have "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" banned.




You do know what it means when you 'assume' something, don't you ?

Racism depicted in classic fiction of it's time is a different can of worms than spewing such nonsense in a Public Forum, and the OP hints at nothing of the sort.

Get out with your bad attitude, or take a class in how to use your brain to argue, not assigning behaviors that are actually irrelevant to the topic at hand.


If we have to nitpick, then there's different things to mention on that.

First, yah, there was definately a poor view against people with certain skin colour, back then, and generally accepted, in that time.

But also, at the same time, the n-word - which ironicly now is considered 'bad' - was just used as a definition. Not to describe anyone in a negative sense, just pointing out to what group of people someone might belong to. As we like to box people in by political, religious or other interests.

So TL;DR judging by those concepts, yes, books that depicture certain skin colours as weaker than others should probably be more prone to be banned than the n-word. Personally? I think it's ignorance that should be banned, anyone openminded know that these books are describing a society structure that is irrelevant to today. It should and could be viewed from a historic viewpoint. And anyone that is at least partially mature about it, should not be upset about the use of the n-word as anything worse than by saying the name of a colours.

People are just too damn sensitive, self-centered and take everything personal. Therapists would probably be pointing towards low self-esteem, especially in combination with ignorance and poor education.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#9 - 2012-07-01 16:41:57 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Can you link any examples of this "unconcious racism" from the front page? Or are we talking about threads posted before CCP had a talk about the word "Jew" and it's use? Because we've already gone over this.

It is due to post like yours that CCP needs to put 'that' word on the filter list. Even though you use it 'in context' it is still a derogatory word that should not be on these forums.

Nyan
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-01 16:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
You can usually deal with it by not bringing it up every five minutes in threads and ignoring it. Ignoring makes it go away eventually when the troll realises he's not going to get a bite or tears. Reporting really offensive stuff would get it removed (one hopes). But on the other hand humour and banter between adults should be allowed, I would still take the p out of the welsh by calling them sheep sha**ers and the French frogs, does that make me racist ? I hope not as my dads welsh and my gf is French.

Lots of peeps seem to loose there sense of humour on here sometimes.

While certain aspects of trolling and posting sh*t need to jumped on quickly, I do not want to have a forum so locked down that it would be like having a conversation on hello kitty online.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#11 - 2012-07-01 16:46:16 UTC
To be perfectly honest with you, the word 'Jew' isn't offensive in and of itself, it describes an ethnic group perfectly and I believe most Jews would proudly proclaim themselves as such. The problem with the word is that many bigoted people have begun using it as though it were an insult, which puts the perception in some peoples mind that it is an offensive word, as evidenced by your post.

The similar thing has happened to the word 'gay', its meaning as of late has gradually shifted away from meaning a person who is attracted to the same sex to a someone or something or some event that is just really stupid, thanks to its frequent use by the youth of America.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Price Check Aisle3
#12 - 2012-07-01 16:47:41 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Can you link any examples of this "unconcious racism" from the front page? Or are we talking about threads posted before CCP had a talk about the word "Jew" and it's use? Because we've already gone over this.

It is due to post like yours that CCP needs to put 'that' word on the filter list. Even though you use it 'in context' it is still a derogatory word that should not be on these forums.

Oh, this is a troll thread. Thanks for confirming.

E: Suppose I should score you.

3/10
  • Karl Hobb IATS
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#13 - 2012-07-01 16:50:18 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Can you link any examples of this "unconcious racism" from the front page? Or are we talking about threads posted before CCP had a talk about the word "Jew" and it's use? Because we've already gone over this.

It is due to post like yours that CCP needs to put 'that' word on the filter list. Even though you use it 'in context' it is still a derogatory word that should not be on these forums.


The implications of what you're saying is that every nationality, ethnicity, and religious name should also be filtered. There are correct ways of using the terms you deem need filtered, though probably not often in GD and if at all in OOPE.

Or you could recognize that this is the internet like the rest of us and realize that people will be stupid no matter what words they can and can't visually see. I mean really, filtering additional content just means people will work around it and I won't know what the hell I'm reading when they don't go to that effort.

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Dave Stark
#14 - 2012-07-01 16:52:37 UTC
know what i find more offensive than racism? threads like this.
Vernn Miller
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-07-01 16:59:32 UTC
Dang it where`s my :downvote: button for the OP?

These forums suck.

This thread sucks.

[i]How many Caldari does it take to screw in a light bulb? - None. Caldari do not screw, they are grown in factories.[/i]
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-01 17:04:42 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Can you link any examples of this "unconcious racism" from the front page? Or are we talking about threads posted before CCP had a talk about the word "Jew" and it's use? Because we've already gone over this.

It is due to post like yours that CCP needs to put 'that' word on the filter list. Even though you use it 'in context' it is still a derogatory word that should not be on these forums.


WTF. It is not a derogatory word any more then christian or muslim is. It's a word that indicates a person of a specific religious background.

The workd that starts with K is the derogatory way to refer to the jewish people.


When the **** did jew become a deragatory word?
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-07-01 17:05:54 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Can you link any examples of this "unconcious racism" from the front page? Or are we talking about threads posted before CCP had a talk about the word "Jew" and it's use? Because we've already gone over this.

It is due to post like yours that CCP needs to put 'that' word on the filter list. Even though you use it 'in context' it is still a derogatory word that should not be on these forums.



How can you put that word in a filter list, what next Christian, Muslim, Hindu, then English, German, American, where would you stop, anything can be an insult if used in the wrong/right context.

I could be offended by having a word that denotes my culture banned.

Someone mentioned gay being hijacked, well that would be twice, the word used to mean happy, I have a 1960's newspaper somewhere about some astronaut feeling gay orbiting the earth, then today's meaning's... languages evolve.

Just my opinion.

Tal





I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Dave Stark
#18 - 2012-07-01 17:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
When the **** did jew become a deragatory word?


it didn't.

Edit: Please desist from personal attacks - ISD Stensson
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-07-01 17:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersk
edit: not gonna fight it
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#20 - 2012-07-01 17:08:25 UTC
Dersk wrote:
You seem like the type of person that would have "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" banned.

I don't like you.

I believe you mean The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

Misanth wrote:
But also, at the same time, the n-word - which ironicly now is considered 'bad' - was just used as a definition. Not to describe anyone in a negative sense, just pointing out to what group of people someone might belong to. As we like to box people in by political, religious or other interests.

This is simply incorrect. The neutral term was negro. Notice, you never see black authors of the same period refer to themselves as a n-gger.

Twain's frequent use of the word was meant to make the audience uncomfortable and point out the ubiquitous of racism in that setting.

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