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Deimos or brutix for level 3s
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Izziee
University of Izziee
#21 - 2011-09-22 15:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Izziee
Tippia wrote:
Izziee wrote:
I'll make it even clearer for the thick
No, let's make it clear for the hideously thick ones who didn't actually read the OP: “in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?”

The answer is: neither. They are both horribly inefficient for L3 grinding. With or without drone skills, the Myrm is better. Hell, with or without drone skills, the Ishtar that Goose99 is going on about is better (and since the OP is looking at a Diemost as an option, the Ishtar is a viable suggestion).

So, again, the problem here is that the OP is asking the wrong question. He is looking for two ships that are 100% unsuitable for the task he wants to use them for: L3s. Neither is “more efficient” — they both sit, neck and neck, at the faaaaar end of the "omgz, don't use those for that, are you insane?!” end of the spectrum.

Instead, the answer to the question is: get a Myrm (or, yes, an Ishtar… but you can't deck that one out with guns to compensate for poor drone skills to the same degree).


My god, you really are thick aren't you. Is your only outcome to try and twist words? are you really THAT butt hurt?

Why yes, yes you are.

"im looking to use a deimos or brutix....in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?"

You are exactly the type of person I was talking about in my first post, well done. Not going to bother arguing with someone who is wrong (and I think you even know it, just too butt hurt to admit it) yet so desperate they have to twist the context because they HAVE to TRY and be right, there is no argument to it, period. The OP asked what's better between A & B. C could be better but that wasn't the option (And realistically, you're saying the Myrm is THE best ship out of every single ship and every single faction in the game for it, because you're clearly not listening to his skill set, and that's where you fall flat on your ass, I'm quite sure there's a bunch of ships capable of doing L3's faster and more efficient, why stop at the Myrm hmm?).

So yup, you fall into my category of retards as of my first post in this thread, in fact, the whole definition of what I implied. Good day ;)
Arrigo Glokta
#22 - 2011-09-22 15:56:36 UTC
Izziee wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Izziee wrote:
I'll make it even clearer for the thick
No, let's make it clear for the hideously thick ones who didn't actually read the OP: “in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?”

The answer is: neither. They are both horribly inefficient for L3 grinding. With or without drone skills, the Myrm is better. Hell, with or without drone skills, the Ishtar that Goose99 is going on about is better (and since the OP is looking at a Diemost as an option, the Ishtar is a viable suggestion).

So, again, the problem here is that the OP is asking the wrong question. He is looking for two ships that are 100% unsuitable for the task he wants to use them for: L3s. Neither is “more efficient” — they both sit, neck and neck, at the faaaaar end of the "omgz, don't use those for that, are you insane?!” end of the spectrum.

Instead, the answer to the question is: get a Myrm (or, yes, an Ishtar… but you can't deck that one out with guns to compensate for poor drone skills to the same degree).


My god, you really are thick aren't you. Is your only outcome to try and twist words? are you really THAT butt hurt?

Why yes, yes you are.

"im looking to use a deimos or brutix....in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?"

You are exactly the type of person I was talking about in my first post, well done. Not going to bother arguing with someone who is wrong (and I think you even know it, just too butt hurt to admit it) yet so desperate they have to twist the context because they HAVE to TRY and be right, there is no argument to it, period. The OP asked what's better between A & B. C could be better but that wasn't the option (And realistically, you're saying the Myrm is THE best ship out of every single ship and every single faction in the game for it, because you're clearly not listening to his skill set, and that's where you fall flat on your ass, I'm quite sure there's a bunch of ships capable of doing L3's faster and more efficient, why stop at the Myrm hmm?).

So yup, you fall into my category of retards as of my first post in this thread, in fact, the whole definition of what I implied. Good day ;)



"And a little ego trip for the femenists!"

You are right though - a simple question of A or B should warrant an answer of A or B (possibly with a side note of worth-while advice i.e. maybe think about training for Myrmidon as it is much better suited).

Puss in Boots
Naked Moon Industries
#23 - 2011-09-22 16:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Puss in Boots
Izziee wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Izziee wrote:
I'll make it even clearer for the thick
No, let's make it clear for the hideously thick ones who didn't actually read the OP: “in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?”

The answer is: neither. They are both horribly inefficient for L3 grinding. With or without drone skills, the Myrm is better. Hell, with or without drone skills, the Ishtar that Goose99 is going on about is better (and since the OP is looking at a Diemost as an option, the Ishtar is a viable suggestion).

So, again, the problem here is that the OP is asking the wrong question. He is looking for two ships that are 100% unsuitable for the task he wants to use them for: L3s. Neither is “more efficient” — they both sit, neck and neck, at the faaaaar end of the "omgz, don't use those for that, are you insane?!” end of the spectrum.

Instead, the answer to the question is: get a Myrm (or, yes, an Ishtar… but you can't deck that one out with guns to compensate for poor drone skills to the same degree).


My god, you really are thick aren't you. Is your only outcome to try and twist words? are you really THAT butt hurt?

Why yes, yes you are.

"im looking to use a deimos or brutix....in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?"

You are exactly the type of person I was talking about in my first post, well done. Not going to bother arguing with someone who is wrong (and I think you even know it, just too butt hurt to admit it) yet so desperate they have to twist the context because they HAVE to TRY and be right, there is no argument to it, period. The OP asked what's better between A & B. C could be better but that wasn't the option (And realistically, you're saying the Myrm is THE best ship out of every single ship and every single faction in the game for it, because you're clearly not listening to his skill set, and that's where you fall flat on your ass, I'm quite sure there's a bunch of ships capable of doing L3's faster and more efficient, why stop at the Myrm hmm?).

So yup, you fall into my category of retards as of my first post in this thread, in fact, the whole definition of what I implied. Good day ;)


You are kind of a tool. Who doens't know that Deimos and Brutix kind of suck for pve? Probably the OP. The advice on using a myrm is sound and well with in the reach of the OP. Experienced players giving less experienced players sound advice is what the forums are about. If you don't like it, oh well.

As to the ops question, if you had to stay with one of these 2 ships, blasters kind of suck due to lack of range but by all means, try a few different fits and make up your own mind. I took a peek at BC for some pve fits and there was barely a handful (kind of telling, no?) but this one made sense to me. Less dps than a blaster boat, but better range which makes for less flying and should decrease mission times. Your mileage may vary.

[Brutix, Brutix Easy Lvl 3 Missions]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
200mm Prototype I Gauss Gun

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II
Hobgoblin II
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-09-22 17:42:20 UTC
pete's sake, all I gave was my honest opinion and a bunch of people got their panties in a bunch (repetition ahoy \o\).

Castle cheesecake wrote:
okay mr smarty pants, have a fit in mind you like to share? :)

i also have like no drone skills, which is why i went with brutix in this thread



well yeah, drone skills are important yes. Digital messiah posted a quite solid setup, and you can even make it even more cap stable by using autocannons

best option for you is indeed holding on the brutix for the time being while you skill up drones to a manageable level (drones 5 should be quite enough as a base point). Also blasters simply suck for like 95% of the pve scenarios (the other 5% being incursions, and even then I'm not sure...) even rails are better in lvl3's.



Izziee wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Castle cheesecake wrote:
im looking to use a deimos or brutix, preferable deimos simply bc i have cruiser level 5



answer is simple: get a myrmidon.



Gotta say, I'm quite sick of pillocks like you. Seems to be so many in Eve. Guy asks A or B and you think the smart answer is C. MOST (key word) people ask a specific question because they have reasons for it.



I'm sorry I'm such a pillock that gave a simple, honest and direct, albeit incomplete, answer.

you see, I prefer to be straightforward and not munching on words. if you have a problem with that, well... tough luck I guess?Ugh

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Annomalya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-01 20:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Annomalya
Headerman wrote:

[Deimos, L3 runner]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5

643 DPS, can tank 335 Serpentis damage. Very tight on PG, so maybe a faction repper or MWD may be handy. No TEs due to the fall-off bonus, but add one in if you like.

Overall, depends on if you have the isk and what level you have BC skill at


Ok, so I am a new player, trying to figure out a setup for my thorax, and I got to this thread (because deimos is a variation of thorax, right?). Now, I have a question: how do you fit 5 heavy blasters on the deimos, considering they require 212 powergrid each and deimos have 990? Not to mention the rest of the modules...

Anyway, here's the current setup I am using (which I figured out myself with trial and error, with the constraint of limited ISK and skill levels, before having the brilliant idea to search answers on the forum), but lvl 3 missions are extremely slow and I consume a lot of expensive ammo, so I need to find smth better than this:

Gauss Field Balancer
N-Type Thermic Hardener
N-Type Kinetic Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II
1600mm Tungsten Plate I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Fixed Paralel Link Capacitor
Fixed Paralel Link Capacitor

150mm railgun II, javelin S
150mm railgun II, javelin S
150mm railgun II, javelin S
150mm railgun II, javelin S
150mm railgun II, javelin S


Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Please note that the recharge is not stable, but the tungsten plate gives me enough armor buffer to recharge the capacitor before starting armor repairer again.

So any ideas to improve this setup are greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#26 - 2011-10-01 21:09:43 UTC
Annomalya wrote:
Ok, so I am a new player, trying to figure out a setup for my thorax, and I got to this thread (because deimos is a variation of thorax, right?). Now, I have a question: how do you fit 5 heavy blasters on the deimos, considering they require 212 powergrid each and deimos have 990? Not to mention the rest of the modules...


Lots and lots of fitting skills. Advanced Weapon Upgrades reduces the grid need of the guns, Engineering boosts the grid on the ship itself. It still doesn't all quite fit, though theoretically perfect fitting skills and a 4% (does anyone actually buy 2/4/6% fitting implants?) would wedge it in.

Annomalya wrote:
Anyway, here's the current setup I am using (which I figured out myself with trial and error, with the constraint of limited ISK and skill levels, before having the brilliant idea to search answers on the forum), but lvl 3 missions are extremely slow and I consume a lot of expensive ammo, so I need to find smth better than this:


A Thorax on L3s is hard mode no matter how you cut it. I'd strongly consider one of the suggestions in this thread -- at the very least a BC.

If you must stick with that fit, I'd at least try to fit/use medium guns. The 150mm rails don't get a bonus from the Thorax hull at all, which is sort of a waste when they are your only source of damage. Even a Vexor would probably serve you better than a Thorax, though, so I'd definitely look to making a change.
Annomalya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-01 21:20:25 UTC
I have the skills to run brutix, but I lack the money to buy it and then fit it, so I have to run mission in my thorax for now.

Also I like very much how thorax looks, I would like to squeeze everything from it. (at my skill level, uh uh...)

Oh, and thanks for the weapons fitting tip, I should prolly learn those skills asap, even low levels count a bit.
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