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Sanctum Psychosis

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Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#1 - 2012-07-01 07:58:26 UTC
Quickie Q:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sanctum_Psychosis

A familiar COSMOS site for some - in my case, largely forgotten about now (although it shouldn't be). All square so far - but stumbling across a post by Borascus at post 35, here, contained a surprise:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87657&p=2

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...just to take the time to catch up on the things ingame that were designed to peak interest years ago.

For example Sanctum Psychosis in Lanngisi, dates back to Jovian Times.


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Could anyone in the know offer pointers to more information on this Jovian connection, please? A few of us are working on some new shiny stuff regarding the Ani constellation (possibly for our own enjoyment) and we'd like it to be as complete as possible.

Thanks.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Borascus
#2 - 2012-07-02 16:40:09 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:
Quickie Q:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sanctum_Psychosis

A familiar COSMOS site for some - in my case, largely forgotten about now (although it shouldn't be). All square so far - but stumbling across a post by Borascus at post 35, here, contained a surprise:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87657&p=2

Quote:

...just to take the time to catch up on the things ingame that were designed to peak interest years ago.

For example Sanctum Psychosis in Lanngisi, dates back to Jovian Times.


--

Could anyone in the know offer pointers to more information on this Jovian connection, please? A few of us are working on some new shiny stuff regarding the Ani constellation (possibly for our own enjoyment) and we'd like it to be as complete as possible.

Thanks.


Hey, how ya doing;

The Battle of Vak'Atioth:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Battle_of_Vak%27Atioth_(Chronicle)

Excerpt:

The Matari chose this moment to rebel against their Amarrian masters. Uncannily well equipped for slaves and high on morale, they proved more than a match for their demoralized Amarrian captors. Faced with losing their grip on the Minmatar, the Amarrians had no choice but to redirect their entire military force to the home front to handle the rebelling slaves. To this day, rumours circulate that the Gallentean Federation secretly outfitted the rebels with weapons, ships and supplies.

The above is used as a timeframe against this excerpt from the Sanctum Psychosis description:

Long before the Rebellion, while the constellation was still home of the Nefantar tribe...

Might have been anti-climactic but it does evidence the presence of Sanctum Psychosis during "Jovian times" and, by default, before.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#3 - 2012-07-02 16:53:49 UTC
According to Templar One, the Sleepers are/were Jovians. As I understand it, the Ani constellation used to be a home for the Sleepers?

Dunno about Sanctum Psychosis itself, but the constellation as a whole certainly has things that would date all the way back to Sleeper/Jovian residency.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#4 - 2012-07-02 17:02:45 UTC
Thank you, Borascus and Morwen.

Reading the Book of EvE very recently, I failed to connect any of this info. Haven't yet read Templar One.

Will ask another Ani nut who is doing the bulk of the work, for further clarification -may need to pick your brains one more time, if that's alright with you Blink

Regards.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Borascus
#5 - 2012-07-02 18:20:01 UTC
Great to see the topic matter investigated :)


On a side note: If you get a chance have a look at the few remaining Nefantar Station designs and compare them with the structures in w-space I found the similarities are quite compelling (Radima and Hasiari)

Although the above implies cultural adaption by the Nefantar.
Francois L'Mange
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-18 14:28:49 UTC
Greetings all,
I apologise Borascus, but I must disagree with you

"Long before the Rebellion, while the constellation was still home of the Nefantar tribe..."

The Ani constellation was the home of the Nefantar from its colonisation by the Minmatar, long before the Amarr arrived in AD 22355, until they were finally driven out during the Minmatar rebelion in AD 23216, 861 years later.

Sanctum Psychosis must have been built during this later period as it is definitely of Amarrian design, specifically an Amarr Military Station. It is identical to the Lord Bastion station in the Hjoramold system built during the rebellion.
Your comment about similarities between w-space structures and those in Ani intrigued me. I think the structure you are refering to is the Hyperbole Nexus.

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Before the technology for employing crystals for faster-than-light communications was invented various other techniques were used to bolster celestial communications. Half a millennia ago the Amarrians discovered a space phenomenon, places in space that seemed to echo with other similar places elsewhere. They learnt to tap into these echoes, greatly boosting the strength of communication devices. Though these places are today largely neglected, there are some people that feel a connection them. The Hyperbole Nexus is one such a place.


This discovery was made during the occupation, so assuming that the phenomenon at the centre was the only thing there at the start, its concentric rings must have been added later by either the Amarr or the Nefantar.

There are drone structures near Hjoramold XII moon 1 and XIII, and they do bear a striking resemblance to sleeper structures, but these are not unique to the Ani constellation I believe.

All remaining structures in Ani are either of Minmatar, Amarr, Gallente, or other human in design.

However, there are rumors that relics of a pre-Minmatar human civilisation were being invesigated at the Nefantar research facilities in the Hjoramold system during the occupation, so who knows what they may have discovered.
Borascus
#7 - 2012-07-18 15:19:00 UTC
Francois L'Mange wrote:
Stuff



With the Rebllion occurring after the formation of Sanctum Psychosis, it was before the jove ceased contact with New Eden. Jovians have been "gone" from anything but story books for so long, that when they were about can be classed as "Jovian Times"


As for the station design element: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3751/nefantarstationhasiari1.jpg

The Hasiari Minmatar Trade post listed above raised geometrical comparisons. You wouldn't be able to say it follows the same geometry as Gallente, Amarr or Caldari in its form as it is "Minmatar"

much like this:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Sirius_01.jpg

has the same rounding as Gallente but structurally, couldn't not be comapared to anything but Minmtar in functionality.


with http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Sleeper_Enclave_02.jpg being close to the geometrical form also.


Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#8 - 2012-07-19 13:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I have been leaning recently toward the Nefantar Wanderers, or a group thereof, being the source of the Talocan presence in Anoikis.. There is some circumstantial evidence toward this.. Given that the Nefantar might have had knowledge of Anoikis, their presence in Ani and their subsequent defeat by the Amarr, they could be a source of the Amarr's seemingly more intimate knowledge of Anoikis..

Lore also tells us the early Minmatar had travel techniques similar to our modern gate tech.. Reflected in the Talocan Static Gates? Lore also tells us the Enhuadanni use the lesser races as manpower in their scheming.

The Nefantar cathedral ships also hint at the Nefantar's possible embrace of the Reclaiming, a theme that is concurrent with the Talocan Exchange Depots..

Knowing how the Jovians feel about Amarr culture, how would the early Jovians react to a group trying to "Reclaim" them?

It also begs the questions; What technologies might the Thukkers be hiding in the Great Wildlands? Where did the Minmatar Elders acquire the technology to overcome Concord? Some of the Matari Tribes hint at Native American roots, linking them intimately to the Talocan, if the inspiration is Tlaloc and not Talos...

Going out on a limb, the nomenclature and teleological evidence puts the Sleepers as more in line ideologically with the Gallente and the Minmatar.. Take for instance, the Argos sentry guns, obviously Greek inspired by their names, more inline with the Gallente's naming conventions..

Do the current Jovians dislike the Gallente because they foresee, via Semiotic Theory, the possibility that in the future the Gallente are likely to advance in the same direction as the Sleepers did?

Finally, it is hinted in the lore, that the Matari were years ahead of everyone else, early on, in travel techniques and astronautics. Were it not for the Amarrian occupation, who knows what the Matari might have achieved in the field.. Perhaps the early Jovians assimilated this technology from the Talocan, and that is why they have a seperate database of their technological endeavors in the Mirror..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#9 - 2012-07-19 14:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Oh, and a question for anyone out there who speaks Welsh.. I have been unable to decipher a Welsh word that bears heavily in my investigations.. Eifyr.. I can find it in the Mabinogion, but, can't get an accurate translation. Anyone? Please?

The wiki references that "enigmatic" guy Kolvil Eifyr.... Blink

I find Kolvil associated with Kovil.. Which kinda brings one full circle to Nayanar (Nefantar?)..

What is the term for seeing shapes in the clouds? Lol

Oh, and more baseless speculation, the Yan Jung are said to have been above the early Jovians on the social ladder, do we find evidence in Jin-Mei? And hints of the Jin-Mei's origins?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#10 - 2012-07-19 15:17:57 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Oh, and a question for anyone out there who speaks Welsh.. I have been unable to decipher a Welsh word that bears heavily in my investigations.. Eifyr.. I can find it in the Mabinogion, but, can't get an accurate translation. Anyone? Please?


http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/LexiconForms.html yields nothing, sadly. Looks pretty thorough.

Quote:

What is the term for seeing shapes in the clouds? Lol


Pareidolia.


Edit: The irony of both welsh and nefantar in the same sentence would have been overwhelming a couple of years ago.Blink

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Tykari
The Observatory
#11 - 2012-07-19 17:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tykari
Roga Dracor wrote:
Lore also tells us the early Minmatar had travel techniques similar to our modern gate tech.. Reflected in the Talocan Static Gates? Lore also tells us the Enhuadanni use the lesser races as manpower in their scheming.

Finally, it is hinted in the lore, that the Matari were years ahead of everyone else, early on, in travel techniques and astronautics. Were it not for the Amarrian occupation, who knows what the Matari might have achieved in the field.


The Minmatar were good when it came to mechanical engineering compared to the other empires but in terms of gate tech they were pretty primitive still actually. The other empires had jumpgates, mostly thanks to finding old ones or parts of them. The Minmatar never did. But they were definitely trying to find a solution to that problem.

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Various efforts were made to increase the speed of ships, but most of them failed either because of too high fuel volume and cost, or because they were too limited in scope. The most successful attempt was that of the old Minmatar Empire, which built acceleration gates that employed gravity in an unique way to slingshot ships between planets. This gave the ships enough momentum to fly between planets in a much shorter time than before. But the Minmatar never discovered how to build interstellar jump gates, so their acceleration gates were limited to their home system (where they still exist today). They had begun experimenting with much larger acceleration gates capable of sending ships between solar systems, but they never got a chance to build them due to the Amarr invasion and subsequent Minmatar enslavement.


The Talocan Static Gates and the mention of their similairty to acceleration gates makes me think the Minmatar were likely the only empire on their way to achieve something similar by expanding on that tech rather than using jumpgates. They just never could get to that point because of the Amarr. And after the Rebellion they didn't bother anymore because they now had jumpgates anyway.

Roga Dracor wrote:

Perhaps the early Jovians assimilated this technology from the Talocan, and that is why they have a seperate database of their technological endeavors in the Mirror.


I do think the Talocan, whoever they were, had some interesting FTL mojo available to them. From the following article I got this.

Micro jumpdrive

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With a flood of salvaged parts coming from ruins in Anoikis, the empires invested heavily into reverse engineering technology found there. Of particular interest to jump drive engineers were components found in many Sleeper structures that involved extreme spatial manipulation technologies. Research was slow, as the components were complicated, different in subtle ways from other Sleeper artifacts, and often beyond the comprehension of most scientists.


With spatial manipulation being Talocan territory and the mention of these artifacts being somewhat different from other Sleeper stuff, this suggests to me that the Sleepers found it and adapted it for their own use. This could be an indication the Talocan and the Sleepers were indeed seperate entities rather than different parts of the same faction.

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