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The Hatred of "Carebears"
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#21 - 2012-07-04 04:25:54 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
It's not a hatred of carebears, it's a hatred of whining carebears who want PvP-free zones and the like. These players need to return to their Theme Park MMOs where their safe gameplay is protected.

Quite accurate. Kudos.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#22 - 2012-07-04 05:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
J'Poll wrote:
Bree Okanata wrote:
I just got back to EVE after quite a long hiatus and I totally forgot about the hatred of people who prefer to play in Hi-sec. How did this get started and why is there such a hatred of people who have fun playing in hi-sec areas? Is it just a rampant trend of elitism?



I hate the people that stay in high-sec and start complaining they can be ganked. They want to turn EVE into another WoW clone by making them impossible to kill. They want a theme-park where they are shielded from every form of PvP unless they accept to do PvP. That isn't EVE.


This i cant fully agree with sadly.
In most cases this is indeed the case but you also have a lot of people that simply say "You dont PVP? Well your opinion dosent matter" .
Some people simply feel that no matter how long you have played the game,and how much exsperiense you have in other aspects of the game,and how much good you have done for people your involved it means nothing because if you dont PVP your useless and have no right to play EVE which is a PVP game.

But this is also the kind of attitude you simply get used to and work your way around but i have seen people who are carebears (in the sense that they do prefer to not PVP) get harassed into leaving because people cant view them as a valuable asset and feels its just a hassle dealing with them and their needs.
Personally i know that EVE needs PVP,just like it needs us carebears,but its a very fine line which is why its very hard to be in charge of a corp that mixes these player styles.

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Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-07-04 09:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Atreus Kadeyooh
EVE is primarily a simulator, an economic simulator more precisely. Ship PvP is just a kind of bonus with awkward graphics and a few simple click-me mechanisms (compared to "theme park MMOs" where you actually have to use tens of keybinds in precise timing).

People who use the word "carebear" as an insult chose one particular part of the game (ship PvP) and feel superior to all other players, who have other interests. The more a player speaks about sucky carebears, the more likely he/she is a bored individual trying to compensate for some own issues by hurting the helpless.

Actually, if all of the carebears left EVE tomorrow, most carebear-haters would leave very shortly after, having no easy targets to unleash their frustrations at . Ganking PvP ready fleets isnt all that easy and fun.

Edit: I myself enjoy carebear activites very much. I log into EVE to relax for a while from my real life job, which is extremely competitive and demanding. Its also why I dont mind the haters much, because at the end of the day, Im the guy whos only having fun, while theyre the sad little poos trying to be tough guys in a video game Cool
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-07-04 13:49:03 UTC
One problem is that someone who comes home from a long hard day at the office, rolls out a Retriever into a belt, and starts drilling veldspar, is sometimes a little tough to differentiate from a mining bot. Those receive a lot of ire, and deservedly so, but a ganker isn't likely to be discriminating - if it looks like it can be killed, it's fair game.

And there isn't a lot of differentiation between among the "carebear haters" between those "carebears" who raise hell when they get ganked, and those who are just minding their own business. Hi-sec PVE'ers seem to be lumped into one broad category: target.

(I've been derided as a carebear for stepping back from faction front lines to run L4's to shore up my wallet to replace my AF losses, but honestly, I'm not in a position to complain.)

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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-07-04 14:03:13 UTC
It's a smal part of the so called Die Hard PvPers that just need to whine, if not about carebears they whine about not being engaged properly, or that they where attacked by a False EMC ship, or an other ship that was fitted in a way their EFT warrior can't handle, how cowards stay out of their weapon range ect ect.


Or a group of mosty nulbears that hate to be desturbed by a unseen ship, that can't remove out of their system, which somehow causes them to sit in their stations.


If I look at the forums, the actual complains from high sec Carebears are less than the upper two.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-07-04 14:53:00 UTC
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
EVE is primarily a simulator, an economic simulator more precisely.


Someone swore blind in another thread that EVE is primarily a mining simulator.

I now declare that EVE is primarily a ship-spinning simulator.

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Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-07-04 15:23:19 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
EVE is primarily a simulator, an economic simulator more precisely.


Someone swore blind in another thread that EVE is primarily a mining simulator.

I now declare that EVE is primarily a ship-spinning simulator.


Well whichever you chose, EVE is definitely not a combat game. You dont need no excessive personal skills, you dont need timing, keybind coordination or fast reactions and adaptation to what is happening second after second.

You just sit in a fleet and click your one grouped-weapons icon to shoot at whichever primary the FC calls. That doesnt make it un-fun, I just find it hillarious that these "die hard PvPers" keep blablaing about skills :-)

Edit: Oh sorry, sometimes you click an additional 2-3 icons to throw points or recharge, now thats engaging :-)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-04 17:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
You dont need no excessive personal skills


Underlined part made me laugh. You do know what you actually said there, right?

Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
You just sit in a fleet and click your one grouped-weapons icon to shoot at whichever primary the FC calls.


Depends on what sort of combat you enjoy. I personally prefere suicide ganking or roaming around on my main looking for fun fights, often against multiple people on my own. Please tell me all about how fighting out-numbered takes no skill.

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#29 - 2012-07-04 18:43:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Depends on what sort of combat you enjoy. I personally prefere suicide ganking or roaming around on my main looking for fun fights, often against multiple people on my own. Please tell me all about how fighting out-numbered takes no skill.



Since it doesn't require thirty keybinds, fast reactions or adaptation, I suppose?

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Thomas Horan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-07-04 21:35:22 UTC
Yeah I don't understand how combat in EVE requires little skill... There are any factors that affect the outcome of combat, not only in the actual movements and actions of your ship, but also in the manner that you fit your ship. Tactics mean everything in EVE, obviously it's not as simple as just double-clicking on your opponent. It seems like you're trying to compare it to Call of Duty.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-07-04 21:38:22 UTC
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:

Well whichever you chose, EVE is definitely not a combat game. You dont need no excessive personal skills, you dont need timing, keybind coordination or fast reactions and adaptation to what is happening second after second.

You just sit in a fleet and click your one grouped-weapons icon to shoot at whichever primary the FC calls. That doesnt make it un-fun, I just find it hillarious that these "die hard PvPers" keep blablaing about skills :-)

Edit: Oh sorry, sometimes you click an additional 2-3 icons to throw points or recharge, now thats engaging :-)


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Thomas Horan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-07-04 21:40:03 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Bree Okanata wrote:
I just got back to EVE after quite a long hiatus and I totally forgot about the hatred of people who prefer to play in Hi-sec.


Your problem seems to be that you haven't the slightest clue what people mean by "carebear".

And also you seem to have an issue with being a worthless internet troll posting bullshit in a newbie forum just to try to get people arguing over things, you might wanna work on that too.


Oh yeah and what's your problem anyways man? Generally (and thankfully) I tend not to see this sort of unwarranted hostility in the EVE community. Clearly Bree wasn't trying to offend anybody, as you obviously were. It was a legitimate topic of discussion. It doesn't reflect so well on you that you react in this way.

Or maybe you're just role-playing....who knows
Keno Skir
#33 - 2012-07-04 22:09:13 UTC
Ottersmacker wrote:
"carebears" provide every ~h4rdc0re4lyfe~ wannabe (regardless of their individual quirks in playstyle) with a common antagonist of sorts. whenever they express their dislike of carebears, they reaffirm their own fragile little identities as super elite space murderers, it's p much identity through polarization "at least i'm not a carebear/miner/??"


Haha, amazing :D My thoughts exactly man Roll

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Bree Okanata
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-07-04 22:09:50 UTC
Thomas Horan wrote:
Lost Greybeard wrote:
Bree Okanata wrote:
I just got back to EVE after quite a long hiatus and I totally forgot about the hatred of people who prefer to play in Hi-sec.


Your problem seems to be that you haven't the slightest clue what people mean by "carebear".

And also you seem to have an issue with being a worthless internet troll posting bullshit in a newbie forum just to try to get people arguing over things, you might wanna work on that too.


Oh yeah and what's your problem anyways man? Generally (and thankfully) I tend not to see this sort of unwarranted hostility in the EVE community. Clearly Bree wasn't trying to offend anybody, as you obviously were. It was a legitimate topic of discussion. It doesn't reflect so well on you that you react in this way.

Or maybe you're just role-playing....who knows


At first I was annoyed at him, but to be fair, there were a lot of people who took this as a "PvP ganker bash" thread. Granted he went a little too far with his hatred/trolling, but there were some people who are just as mean to gankers.
Boudicca Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-07-06 12:15:09 UTC
It's not hatred of "carebears". It's a hatred for someone that chooses to play the game the way they want. It's hatred for people that dont want to play the way others want them to.
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