EVE General Discussion

1) Do you know who owns the wreck of your ship when you die?
"When players are killed, any containers dropped from their ship are still owned by them. The same goes for the wreck that once was their ship."
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Container_and_wreck_ownership

2) By not moving goalposts. We're talking about HS here.

Do you ever tire of being wrong every time you post?

And either way, you salvage in one cycle and flip the can.

Once the can is flipped, ask anyone from TEARS or a like corp how hard it is to kill an orca and basi.

The scenario I have been commenting on the whole time is exactly the same, ganking hulks without error. I mentioned that before you ever replied to me, so if you were talking about anything else YOU changed the scenario. You can make up any hypothetical you want, but I am telling you as it stands you can make a plex ganking hulks, and even if I ganked hulks with 40kEHP, I could still do it.

Arguing to me that its not profitable enough is your thing. I honestly think anyone who spent the time to train orca to all 5, hulk to all 5, and basi can make a hell of a lot more than 25ish mil an hour on a 3 way split. I spent way less time training 3 mission running toons and can easily clear 3x what the mining fleet you are hypothesizing makes without ever leaving hisec. The miners are not doing it because its the most proft they can make, they are doing it because THEY WANT TO. I also mine BECAUSE I WANT TO. I also gank miners BECAUSE I WANT TO. I can run incursions for 1 hour and gank for many hours afterwards before the miners catch up.

Anyway, I look forward to the day when I see your little hypotheticals out there in new eden. I will mail you the KM persoanlly. Until then I'll keep fighting the good fight and killing these bastard miners.

No. The scenario you have been using in your comments has been whatever you were replying to, altered to suit your point. If you're going to comment on something others say, comment on what they say and not on something else. If I say that, “in scenario A, we have situation X,” and you “counter” that by saying that “nu-uh, in scenario B, we have situation Y”, then you haven't actually addressed the point being made.

It's not a hypothetical. It's using your own numbers: you need about 540 of those 40k Hulks killed in a month to get a PLEX. That's 18 a day or somewhere between 5 and 9 hours (not including the any potential time to get sec status back up, if you're worried about such things). That's why you're going after the easy ones instead (and trust me, the hard targets are out there, but they never show up in these thread for some odd reason… )

Well, the argument is really that it shouldn't be a 3-way split, but rather an amortisation across maybe 10 miners.

I wouldn't worry. We both know that the average forum miners are incapable of protecting themselves, even with all the means at their disposal. After all, that's the entire point of these threads: that there are a fuckton of tactics and techniques available, but that they ignore them all and just declare the whole thing impossible and broken out of hand and instead cry that CCP has to solve their poor decision-making.

…and as mentioned: the reason for those more extreme builds is that they illustrate the ability to counter the extreme scenarios that the whiners come up with. They are as hypothetical as the treats levied against them, showing that the game mechanics cut both ways.

You're just making **** up now. I already said I scan them with a neutral alt and look for the hole, multiple times.

You see what you want to see and live on the forums. I live in New Eden. You have stolen much too much of my time already. Goodbye. Have fun theorycrafting.

Nope. From the paragraph right below the one you quoted, since you don't appear to be able to read a full article before your head injury kicks in (see a Doctor, I honestly worry):

You said that the Hulks you gank have up to 20k EHP tanks. Those are not the Hulk fits we are talking about.

We are responding to specific claims. You are pulling in mountains of Herring and pouring Grenadine on the whole bunch in a strange attempt to make a cocktail.

Learn to read and comprehend before you respond please. Tippia specifically said


Saying that you know what I do without observing it is the epitome of shitpoasting.

I'm merely repeating what you said you do. You've given ample descriptions, and the overarching theme of it all is that you are killing easy marks.

Are you saying that you don't know what you're doing yourself and that what you've described so far was just nonsense?

Risk vs. reward is unbalanced in hisec.

Suicide gankers should get huge rewards from suicide ganking. For example currently ganking tanked exhumers require gankers to take way too big risk to gank tanked exhumer. Should help gankers who like to gank exhumers.
Something like:
100 mil / exhumer.
25 mil / untanked T1 industrial.
1 bil / freighter.
etc.