EVE General Discussion

What are you replying to? I don't see anything in the quote about stopping people from ganking miners..

Most people play games to relax. So any amount of risk above 0% is way too much. Profit doesn't matter if there is 100% risk to lose ship right at the moment when you relax.

Posting in a thread where "Isk per hour" is the only reason people play this game.

I don't.

Nice to make ISK, yes, but if you're making it your bible, your only motive to play this game, then you fail at Eve.

1. What exactly is a reasonable amount of risk? In other words, at which point would losing your most expensive ship (NPCs or Players, no matter) result in you going "Yep, I truly deserved to lose that ship and I can only blame myself". Showing emotion - sadness or rage - for such a lose is understandable; such is the nature of the game. So please, an honest response.

In any situation there are events and outcomes that I control and events and outcomes that I can not control. My philosophy is to manage the things I can control and not sweat the other **** because I can not control it anyways.

2. What exactly is a reasonable amount of profit you should be allowed to make? What is the maximum and the minimum isk/hour that should be available when you perform said activities under you ideal risk/reward ratio you thought of when answering question 1.

This is a great question and one that I have asked recently. At what point does an individual player have enough ISK? I mean if you are not spending the ISK because you already have your Hulk or CNR and the skills to fly them to perfection, why do you need anymore ISK? What purpose does the ISK have if it is just sitting in your wallet? For me. once I have enough to replace the ship I am in I really can't think of any other reason to gain ISK. For the PvE/Mining Enthusiast, you're likely not replacing ships all too often unless you are not in control of something that you can control (see above). For the PvP enthusiast, on the other hand, they may have to buy a new ship daily or more frequently. So a constant stream of ISK makes sense for them.

I think this might be where there is a HUGE disparity. Don't get me wrong. My primary activity in EvE is grinding L4 missions in High Sec. I do, in fact, drink at the faucet of ISK. But occasionally, not often but occasionally, I do like to mix it up. I have said before that mission runners like to shoot the red + but if there is another human being behind that + they get skiddish about it. I think this type of aversion is strange. No one likes to be shot at. But we let the AI do it all the time. Maybe PvE/Mining enthusiasts dislike the derision that sometimes follows getting blown up or they see it as a challenge that their ego can not deal with.

I do know that during the short time I spent in a PvP corp I found myself wondering, "How do I make money to continue doing this activity?" I guess I never found the answer.

I am a PvE enthusiast but do not think of myself as a carebear. If someone can blow my ship to bits it is because they were better than me and NOT because they are an *******. You will NEVER see me complaining about gankers needing to be nerfed or rewards in High Sec being buffed. All of those mechanics are fine the way they are. I have a disdain for the carebears that spooge on the forums to nerf ganking and buff their Risk-Free environment. Some even threaten to quit. To those people I say, "**** off with you. You don't belong here anyway."

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False. I concede it is not the only reason.

Yet you must agree with me that all activities can be looked at from a isk/hour perspective and a balanced game is possible only if the isk/hour - risk/reward scales accordingly.

No you can't. (At least not without Faction or Officer mods on your Suicide Talos, in which case )

But then again, here is my question: why should it not be profitable to burn brutix's agaisnt hulks.

Hypothetical Ship A costs 500 mil. A regular fit usually drops on average 25 mil.

What is the minimum investment for a suicide ganker in your opinion?

A 15 year old in my corp found the answer a couple of weeks ago. Sit at certain stargates with an alt, scanning haulers. If they're auto-piloting, use a cruiser & blow them up. If they're not auto-piloting, blow them up with a Tornado. He's made enough isk in 2 weeks to be able to lose 1-2 faction cruisers each day for the next 6 months.

Ganking for profit = PvP & profit to fund more exciting PvP.

When the miners tank properly it's not worth ganking it at all unless you do it for fun. The problem is most miners think they can throw on a couple of shield mods in the mid-slots & still keep their MLU's & cargo rigs.