EVE General Discussion

I consider myself in the demographic for your questions and I'll be happy to provide an answer. I'm not going to accept your addendum below the questions though because that's your opinion and not one I agree with.

1. A reasonable amount of risk. When I make a mistake in PVE and lose a ship then I accept that it was my fault and the amount of risk was accepted as soon as I undocked. I wouldn't be happy that I screwed up but I try to fly by the rule "don't risk what you can't lose" and so far I've been ok. There were a few times starting out where I took on too much risk and ended up deflating my wallet, but I'd spend a few days mining and get back to a comfortable level. That's what I consider to be an acceptable amount of PVE risk, where the loss is my fault and I knew before undocking what was at stake.

In regards to PVP I don't fly anything unless I already consider it a loss. Whenever I undock for player combat I go out in a 0 implant clone with a ship I can lose and not feel bad about.

The problem with your question is you combine PVE risk and PVP risk and the two are completely separate issues. When I undock my PVE Tengu I plan on not having to fight other players. The precautions I take are I don't pimp the modules to a high degree and I pick mission areas away from high population areas. Someone that wants to take me out though can do so rather easily since I'm PVE fit and they are setup for PVP. IMO that is an unacceptable level of risk because in order to play the PVE I prefer I have to make myself very vulnerable to PVP. PVE fits just won't hold up to PVP actions and it doesn't really matter how good of a pilot I am if someone decides they want to gank me there is not much I can truly do other than stay docked. So basically any PVP in my PVE ships is unacceptable no matter how much effort the other person puts forth.

2. A reasonable amount of profit? I don't use plex for my accounts so all of my in game profit goes to buying ships, modules and whatever peaks my interest. I consider having sufficient ISK when I can purchase PVP ships, upgrade implants, buy new skillbooks, and try out new areas. I'm not saying I should do all of those things at once, but I don't like having to grind for a day or two so I can buy a replacement Scimitar. The problem with that statement is how many hours to I play in that day or two. Typically I spend 2-3 hours playing EVE when I'm in the mood per day. I liked Incursions and used quite a bit of my profits on PVP ships. When I run missions I the income is ok but the tedium has caused me to go to other games and spend less time in EVE. I realize I still haven't answered your question but I wanted to provide some background for my response.

In the end I think a decent amount of profit should be somewhere in the 65-75mil per hour mark. I can afford (well I could before prices went crazy) a new scimitar with about a day played. Sadly I couldn't make that kind of income on lvl 4 missions and the nerf to Incursions has ruled them out as well. Which means that I will skip out on PVP and do other things so I don't have to spend several days making back a loss on a few hours or roaming. I also noticed that as my income reduces my desire to play is reduced and I go to other PVP games that are much easier to play for a few hours and not feel like I have to spend my weekend grinding to make up for any losses.

Hopefully that provides the feedback you were looking to receive. I realize it's not the answer you want to hear, but it's how I feel. As to your addendum I disagree that the more ISK I make the more it decreases the value of ISK for everyone else. The value of ISK is how much time or effort I'm willing to invest to get ISK. Someone that primarily uses market trading to make his ISK will invest less time than someone who spends his days running lvl 4's so the ISK value for each person is based on how easy it is for them to accumulate wealth. Additionally how I spend my ISK helps determine it's value. I could sit on several billion ISK and never use it for anything and it has no value. When I spend a hundred million ISK a day it has more value as it's going out to other people and being used in the economy. The value of an item isn't based on how hard it is to obtain but rather the value of an item in game is completely based on how useful the players feel that item is as well as what they are willing to invest to get the item.

Look at the Echelon ship that was given away and can not be made. The difficulty in obtaining a new one is impossible. They were a one time gift. A player can buy one that already exists but what is the price tag for this item? Almost nothing. Not because they are difficult to obtain but rather because they provide no value.

Removing Local removes the cloakies power.

Have you ever seen me call for nerfing AFK cloakers? I make fun of the people whose pants are too tied up in knots to leave station with a cloaky in system.

If you want no local, go to WH space. Choose the mechanics that you prefer.

Local is an outdated mechanic that should NEVER make into a PvP game.
As for cloakers getting power removed, you are seriously wrong. If anything, they'd become invaluable gates watching tools.

Local is an outdated mechanic that should NEVER make into a PvP game.
As for cloakers getting power removed, you are seriously wrong. If anything, they'd become invaluable gates watching tools.

That setup is redundant. You might want to start to listen from people doing it since years instead of EFT theorycrafters.
It's a cost vs reward thing. You can play harder or you can play better and / or smarter. It's your game.

Having 1 money making ship out of 3 and having it nearly useless might be an improveable experience.
By playing where they should and how they should, there's people making 20M+ per hour per account while you'd make so little you'd still make like when bots were rampant and drone poo in game.

LOL u and all u griefin buddies are the redundant ones. Tell me how you can really think that gankin a T1/T2 fitted hulk with a a few Tier 3 BC's can be profitable? You are griefers, plain and simple and as such should be perma banned. There is absolutely no profit in ganking hulks with tier 3 bc's. Therefore it IS griefing.

And don't bother either Porto. You are a Goon disguised as a ugly girl, or in your other self, Mussolini's fatter brother.

LOL u and all u griefin buddies are the redundant ones. Tell me how you can really think that gankin a T1/T2 fitted hulk with a a few Tier 3 BC's can be profitable? You are griefers, plain and simple and as such should be perma banned. There is absolutely no profit in ganking hulks with tier 3 bc's. Therefore it IS griefing.

And don't bother either Porto. You are a Goon disguised as a ugly girl, or in your other self, Mussolini's fatter brother.

"Asking to please do not derail" is well different than screaming. But I see you just can't write something that won't aggress somebody else, eh?

So, serious propaganda from the "buy every pyerite at any cost" herd. ?

Typical Tippia, confuse the issue.

You lost to the Goons, now u r one.

U don't get out much do u?