EVE General Discussion

That's your choice. It is also possible to train off map.

There must be something wrong in my Hulk because gankers usually leave belt after scanning(?) and I don't see them for very long time. If same ganker warps later to belt I'm on they warp away fast if I'm the only one on that belt.

Then I'm suggesting that you are a liar and that the flaws you insist exists in the Hulk don't insist at all and that you know this full well from your own experience, so you can stop it with the blatant idiocy and wilful ignorance.

1. ship value <= EHP/10,000*100,000,00
so assuming tornado + fittings is 100mil, and I have 40,0000 ehp I wouldn't dare fit more than 400mil worth of stuff on said ship. maybe there should be a *2 in there somewhere to assume they plan on making a decent profit but 1. paranoia and 2. I'm used to that number being about 300,000,000 due to the whole insurance thingy.

2. hugely variable number depending on what I do. a pretty big chunk of income theoretically comes from LP, and the LP market is an isk sink. so I don't have a problem with players earning say 100m/hour mostly buying and selling stuff from/to other players. but at the same time if income is too low most players won't bother

Well people acquire isk in two ways:
- Get them from NPC's.
- Get them from other players.

I believe one of these should remain capped: "get them from NPC's".
Income from NPC's is what scales with sec status and also includes all isk faucets.
A proper balance of isk faucets should have people who remain in highsec say: "look, I KNOW rewards are clearly better outside of highsec but I still remain in highsec because the commitment in time is something I cannot work around."

When your activities involves getting isk from other players then sec status won't matter, nor should it be artificially capped.

1) Why?

2) As we've spent pages pouring over, a properly fitted and flown Hulk cannot be ganked without massive isk losses on the part of the gankers or an absurd number of participants (and still, significant isk losses)

3) Most cruisers with common fits are right in that 30k EHP area or less.

I consider myself in the demographic for your questions and I'll be happy to provide an answer. I'm not going to accept your addendum below the questions though because that's your opinion and not one I agree with.

1. A reasonable amount of risk. When I make a mistake in PVE and lose a ship then I accept that it was my fault and the amount of risk was accepted as soon as I undocked. I wouldn't be happy that I screwed up but I try to fly by the rule "don't risk what you can't lose" and so far I've been ok. There were a few times starting out where I took on too much risk and ended up deflating my wallet, but I'd spend a few days mining and get back to a comfortable level. That's what I consider to be an acceptable amount of PVE risk, where the loss is my fault and I knew before undocking what was at stake.

In regards to PVP I don't fly anything unless I already consider it a loss. Whenever I undock for player combat I go out in a 0 implant clone with a ship I can lose and not feel bad about.

The problem with your question is you combine PVE risk and PVP risk and the two are completely separate issues. When I undock my PVE Tengu I plan on not having to fight other players. The precautions I take are I don't pimp the modules to a high degree and I pick mission areas away from high population areas. Someone that wants to take me out though can do so rather easily since I'm PVE fit and they are setup for PVP. IMO that is an unacceptable level of risk because in order to play the PVE I prefer I have to make myself very vulnerable to PVP. PVE fits just won't hold up to PVP actions and it doesn't really matter how good of a pilot I am if someone decides they want to gank me there is not much I can truly do other than stay docked. So basically any PVP in my PVE ships is unacceptable no matter how much effort the other person puts forth.

2. A reasonable amount of profit? I don't use plex for my accounts so all of my in game profit goes to buying ships, modules and whatever peaks my interest. I consider having sufficient ISK when I can purchase PVP ships, upgrade implants, buy new skillbooks, and try out new areas. I'm not saying I should do all of those things at once, but I don't like having to grind for a day or two so I can buy a replacement Scimitar. The problem with that statement is how many hours to I play in that day or two. Typically I spend 2-3 hours playing EVE when I'm in the mood per day. I liked Incursions and used quite a bit of my profits on PVP ships. When I run missions I the income is ok but the tedium has caused me to go to other games and spend less time in EVE. I realize I still haven't answered your question but I wanted to provide some background for my response.

In the end I think a decent amount of profit should be somewhere in the 65-75mil per hour mark. I can afford (well I could before prices went crazy) a new scimitar with about a day played. Sadly I couldn't make that kind of income on lvl 4 missions and the nerf to Incursions has ruled them out as well. Which means that I will skip out on PVP and do other things so I don't have to spend several days making back a loss on a few hours or roaming. I also noticed that as my income reduces my desire to play is reduced and I go to other PVP games that are much easier to play for a few hours and not feel like I have to spend my weekend grinding to make up for any losses.

Hopefully that provides the feedback you were looking to receive. I realize it's not the answer you want to hear, but it's how I feel. As to your addendum I disagree that the more ISK I make the more it decreases the value of ISK for everyone else. The value of ISK is how much time or effort I'm willing to invest to get ISK. Someone that primarily uses market trading to make his ISK will invest less time than someone who spends his days running lvl 4's so the ISK value for each person is based on how easy it is for them to accumulate wealth. Additionally how I spend my ISK helps determine it's value. I could sit on several billion ISK and never use it for anything and it has no value. When I spend a hundred million ISK a day it has more value as it's going out to other people and being used in the economy. The value of an item isn't based on how hard it is to obtain but rather the value of an item in game is completely based on how useful the players feel that item is as well as what they are willing to invest to get the item.

Look at the Echelon ship that was given away and can not be made. The difficulty in obtaining a new one is impossible. They were a one time gift. A player can buy one that already exists but what is the price tag for this item? Almost nothing. Not because they are difficult to obtain but rather because they provide no value.

Someone posts a lie about mining, might as well call them on it.

That's why I absolutely LOVE cloakies in 0.0 and local should be removed.

Taking in to account the ammount of mid & low slots a Hulk has, 30k EHP is quite decent.

I smoke tobacco.