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Training a 10 Year Old (Educational Series Through 2013)

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BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-10-03 23:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: BOND 007
Nanatoa wrote:
BOND 007 wrote:
Any advice appreciated

Core Complexion has no stations with medical facilities, so you can't get jump clones from them.

BOND 007 wrote:
I do have 8.2 standings with Core Complexion now with 4 jump clones

I briefly considered the possibility that I was wrong, but then I realised you only have Infomorph Psychology III, so you can't have 4 jump clones.


That great institution where people actually can learn something - EVE University - has a nice list of corporations with and without jump clone facilities.

(Pro Tip: check where CreoDron is on that list..)



You are correct that I only have 3 jump clones. Creodron has (3) L4 Research Agents and one is in 0.3 space, one jump from High Sec. And I don't need jump clones from them, 4 should be plenty enough. I had actually tried to install a 4th only to realize that I have Infomorph at L3 so that ability is 18 hours out. And like a lot of things EVE it's on the to do later list.

Thank you for the suggestion of EVE University. In fact I was reading the application process just yesterday and left the tab open to remember to look into that. Once I can fly something decent instead of a patched together L3 Drake, I think that would be a very interesting path to take. Thank you for the suggestion.

BOND 007
Nanatoa
#22 - 2012-10-03 23:22:12 UTC
Why did you say you have 4 jump clones if you only have 3?
Why are you grinding CreoDron to 8.0+ if you don't want jump clones from them?
Most importantly, how did you get jump clones from Core Complexion, which has no stations with medical facilities?


It seems to me this is not an educational project, but an exercise in creative writing.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-10-03 23:48:40 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Why did you say you have 4 jump clones if you only have 3?
Why are you grinding CreoDron to 8.0+ if you don't want jump clones from them?
Most importantly, how did you get jump clones from Core Complexion, which has no stations with medical facilities?


It seems to me this is not an educational project, but an exercise in creative writing.


Certainly it would be best to actually look at my stats before stating something. As it turns out I have -0- Jump Clones. I am training 5 characters and did get this one confused with another that I recently installed jump clones for. Yes, Core Complexion does not offer jump clones. It's a moot point as I have no use for them yet.

As far as grinding up to 8.2 it was not for jump clones. In order to access the (3) L4 R&D Agents that Research Electronic Engineering you must have 5.0+ standings and 8.2 just so happens to be where I stopped running L3 missions for them.

So, excellent corrections on your part, thank you.

BOND 007
Nanatoa
#24 - 2012-10-04 05:41:11 UTC
BOND 007 wrote:
As it turns out I have -0- Jump Clones.

You went from claiming to have 4 to claiming to have 3 to admitting you have 0 in a day. That must be some kind of record for a great educator like you!

BOND 007 wrote:
Yes, Core Complexion does not offer jump clones. It's a moot point as I have no use for them yet.

As far as grinding up to 8.2 it was not for jump clones.

You specifically said "I'm gonna keep running L3 Security Missions to get that Standing above 8.0 for Jump Clones." (post #15)

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

A PowerfulForce
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-10-04 08:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Nanatoa wrote:
BOND 007 wrote:
As it turns out I have -0- Jump Clones.

You went from claiming to have 4 to claiming to have 3 to admitting you have 0 in a day. That must be some kind of record for a great educator like you!

BOND 007 wrote:
Yes, Core Complexion does not offer jump clones. It's a moot point as I have no use for them yet.

As far as grinding up to 8.2 it was not for jump clones.

You specifically said "I'm gonna keep running L3 Security Missions to get that Standing above 8.0 for Jump Clones." (post #15)


Dude, calm yourself
BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-10-05 02:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: BOND 007
Okay, so let's do the Jump Clone thing, why not?

First of all, I have never claimed to be perfect and making mistakes is a great way to learn.

1) In Post #15 in stating that 8.0+ Security Status would allow me Jump Clones with Core Complexion, that should have raised a red flag at the time as Core Complexion does not have Jump Clone Medical services. Which appears to be typical of Corporations that specialize in Research. The primary intention of training up as high as possible with Core Complexion is as stated ; "Chapter 5 ~ Passive ISK / Research / Datacore Harvesting"

Now as I am waiting for these skills to finish to install (6) L4 Research Agents, (3) with Core Complexion, (3) with CreoDron (Standings already in place to do so), what a great idea to just churn L3 missions for Jump Clones.

As those skills complete, I am now churning L3 Security Missions for Minmatar (my race) Corp Republic Security Services, up to 8.0+. While I have no plans for jump clones and have not mentioned them other than a quickly typed mistake, hey why not? This will also increase my standings with the Minmatar Republic with the Storyline missions that will come along.

Thank you for the constructive criticism, good job finding the errors, and I'll be back to regular Chapter updates soon.

6 Million Skill Points and growing;
My Stats & Training

BOND 007
Jonnas Grey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-10-07 08:45:45 UTC
nice read - remember seeing this character for sale, good to see it go somewere

Nanatoa
#28 - 2012-10-07 12:52:29 UTC
A PowerfulForce wrote:
Dude, calm yourself

I just think it's pathetic that Mr. 007 first reaction to making a mistake is trying to bluff is way out of it - repeatedly.
And even in the end there's only a fluffy and partial admission that there might be a possibility that he may have been wrong.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-10-10 13:04:00 UTC
What is the point of this thread exactly? lol
Daytarion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-10-12 07:50:08 UTC
You are not helping anyone with this thread. It explains nothing useful about your thought process for a new player. You are somehow looking for praise and that is the only purpose of this thread. Seriously your egotistical exuberance is nauseating.
BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-10-13 03:08:23 UTC
There's some truth here. It is actually rewarding to have learned EVE enough to train an old legacy character and blog about it thus giving ideas to new players. So far no one has been that critical of my training choices, which would indicate that they are right. Not perfect, but good. Yeah.

Anyone whom takes the time to write about something (publicly for over a year), break it down into chapters (thus writing an online book) should feel some reward, as without interest it would be a job. The fact that you are reading this shows that you share an interest in reading something specialized or you would be reading the news written by people paid to write, as opposed to someone wanting to for whatever reason.

31 People have liked what I have written and (3) have messaged privately telling me that they are following the same plan and thank yous for giving them something fun to do in EVE. I do remember almost not ever loading EVE again cause I could not find anything interesting to do. So this is interesting to at least myself and some others.

Do you have any advice about how to train better or select a direction?

Adding your 1st +Like for some accuracy.

Cheers.

BOND 007

6.5 Million Skill Points and Going like the Energizer Bunny





Daytarion wrote:
You are not helping anyone with this thread. It explains nothing useful about your thought process for a new player. You are somehow looking for praise and that is the only purpose of this thread. Seriously your egotistical exuberance is nauseating.

Nanatoa
#32 - 2012-10-14 11:01:19 UTC
BOND 007 wrote:
31 People have liked what I have written

You might have had a point if you had 31 likes for one post, but you are adding up all 'likes' across different posts; single posts have only about 3 likes each, meaning those 31 likes may just be 1 or 2 people liking all your posts with an alt or 2 mixed in.

BOND 007 wrote:
Adding your 1st +Like for some accuracy.

He currently has 1 'like' and that one is mine. Where's yours then?




"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Hongus Gwag
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-10-14 15:34:40 UTC
Forget your critics here, I'm enjoying this post. I started my acount a few months before you and it's very interesting listening about the direction you took in the game and how vastly it differs from my own.

Keep on posting :)
BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-26 19:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: BOND 007
Thanks for the support here and in private. Have been churning some very long skills and will continue to blog my training through the end of 2013. Some updates;

~ Chapter 1 : New Beginnings - Complete
~ Chapter 2 : Quite The Socialite - Complete
- The remaining Social skill I want at L5, Fast Talk is still 11 days out. Will top it off a few days at a time here and there.
~ Chapter 3 : The Funcional Factional Drake (Solo L3 PVE) - Complete
~ Chapter 4 : Good in the Head ~ The Drake Implant Set - Complete
~ Chapter 5 : Passive ISK / Research / Datacore Harvesting - Complete
- Said Drake was perfect with no losses to churn up standings with Core Complexion & CreoDron for (5) L4 Research Agents in the field of Electronic Engineering; Research Project. Adding a 6th R&D Agent will require Research Project Management L5, which is 35 days away. Will fill it in over time.

As it's not really much fun to just train a toon and never pilot a ship, I did about 75 Solo L3 Security Missions for Republic Security Services in my Drake bringing my standings up to 8.10. This allows / allowed me to install Jump Clones with them, of which I now have (3). ;)
Jump Clones

9 Million Skill Points and Climbing

Exciting new chapters coming soon.

BOND 007
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#35 - 2012-11-30 16:13:15 UTC
Are you planning to cash in on the Destroyer and Battlecruiser racial skill split in the SOON(tm)/Nearby future?
BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-12-04 02:48:19 UTC  |  Edited by: BOND 007
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa wrote:
Are you planning to cash in on the Destroyer and Battlecruiser racial skill split in the SOON(tm)/Nearby future?


Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa (Wow that's a mouthful);)

Very good question. Here is where I stand on that, and yes BONO ONE is one of my alts (notice the similarity?) hahah

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2260247#post2260247

I don't think there's a clear answer, but yes I am topping off Battlecruisers quicker than scheduled. Doing so is already part of a future chapter of the character training in regards to the "Perfect Drake". And said skill is obviously a must.

Thank you for a very good constructive query.

BOND 007
Bloody Wench
#37 - 2012-12-05 10:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
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BOND 007
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-12-10 03:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: BOND 007
Chapter 6 : Modern Times ~ Battlecruiser & Destroyer Balancing

In March 2012 it was revealed that the Generic Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills give too broad of an advantage as they are not specific to race and they will be removed and replaced with 8 (2x4) race specific skills. Let's say you have these at LX and you have that skill for every race at present. Without going into that entire complex debate it appears as if having a certain set of skills will result in a 120ish day training and from 8-12m SP jump, free in early 2013, possibly with the January main update of Retribution.


I have done a remap today that puts my levels at Perception and Willpower at 29 each. Have done it with all main toons. Training;

Battlecruisers L5
Destroyers L5

Amarr Frigate L4 (Prerequisite for Amarr Cruiser)
Amarr Cruiser L3
Caldari Frigate L4 (Prerequisite for Caldari Cruiser)
Caldari Cruiser L3
Gallente Frigate L4 (Prerequisite for Gallente Cruiser)
Gallente Cruiser L3
Minmatar Frigate L4 (Prerequisite for Minmatar Cruiser)
Minmatar Cruiser L3


And then after changeover bam, you end up with all (8) New skills and millions of skill points free;

Amarr Battlecruiser L5
Caldari Battlecruiser L5
Gallente Battlecruiser L5
Minmatar Battlecruiser L5
Amarr Destroyer L5
Caldari Destroyer L5
Gallente Destroyer L5
Minmatar Destroyer L5


A nice way to end the year and go into the holidays with 30+ days of skills. Perfect for vacation.
Regardless if the update is not that fast (I predict summer 2013), just keep the same remap and L5 max out all missile skills as they all rely on Perception and Willpower at 29.

Next chapter in January 2013.

Happy Holidays and Happy Skill Training.

BOND 007 ~ 2012

>10 Million Skill Points and Rising towards 2013<
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2012-12-19 09:32:02 UTC
I have removed a bit of trolling from here.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-12-19 20:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I also recently bought a 2003 character with a classic name (almost as good as "Bond 007")

but

I'm not training anything, because it is a novelty cyno/scout welp toon, and only needs a clone grated eta replacement (125,000 ISK to replace)

so when players see the name in local, and do the employment history, "wtf that's a 2003 character..."

;-)

cyno alt'ing with style

wouldn't train 'im up tho. keep it welp.