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TwoStep call out on SDing

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Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#1 - 2012-06-29 09:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
Hello TwoStep,

lots of us WH dwellers had high hopes in you when we listened to your words on TS regarding Self Destruction mechanics and you mentioning that this would be on your agenda.
I think by now it is clear and proven by several threads that the majority of players in and out of WH space think that SDing under agression & inside a forcefield is retarted and should be looked into by CCP.

Did you had the chance to get that already on CCPs table cos this:

[ 2012.06.28 23:46:16 ] (notify) Thanatos belonging to craftmc self-destructs.
[ 2012.05.01 17:31:39 ] (notify) Moros belonging to WH O'dunnit self-destructs
[ 2012.04.20 13:54:08 ] (notify) Archon belonging to Jucyne self-destructs.
[ 2012.04.09 01:08:43 ] (notify) Rorqual belonging to Mirr 6 self-destructs.
[ 2012.04.08 21:40:21 ] (notify) Phoenix belonging to Erredent self-destructs.
[ 2012.04.08 22:06:11 ] (notify) Phoenix belonging to john zevallos self-destructs.
[ 2012.03.09 21:59:45 ] (notify) Revelation belonging to H4Ng M4n self-destructs.
[ 2012.03.09 22:06:12 ] (notify) Phoenix belonging to Jinsu666 self-destructs.
[ 2012.03.09 23:11:21 ] (notify) Moros belonging to Sir Broadside self-destructs.
[ 2012.03.09 23:18:55 ] (notify) Rorqual belonging to Jinsu666 self-destructs.
[ 2012.03.09 23:20:24 ] (notify) Naglfar belonging to Charlies Slave self-destructs.
[ 2012.02.18 02:20:47 ] (notify) Archon belonging to Crickets McGee self-destructs.
[ 2012.01.30 20:56:31 ] (notify) Nidhoggur belonging to Kriptman self-destructs.
[ 2012.01.27 17:27:14 ] (notify) Moros belonging to Alvetta self-destructs.

needs to stop or nees to generate a record of the event other then the log record.

Updated with more ( only a small collection of the last 6 month ) records of faggotry.
joes Bazooka
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-29 10:00:40 UTC
TBH i wish they would hurry up and release the CSM minutes in full pretty soon.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2012-06-29 10:52:41 UTC
inb4 Arguments about bringing more DPS...

Get it fixed son!

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Seifer Al'Masy
Mercury Arms Inc.
Ghostbirds
#4 - 2012-06-29 11:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Seifer Al'Masy
I like to think that people are crying badly while they see their own ships SDing....... Roll
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#5 - 2012-06-29 12:01:24 UTC
Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression.

As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy.

More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. P

No trolling please
joes Bazooka
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-29 12:08:14 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression.

As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy.

More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. P



I never really liked Salmon. Ugh
Cybus Max
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-06-29 12:15:03 UTC
It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-29 13:13:56 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression.

As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy.

More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. P


+1

Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed.
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-29 13:15:22 UTC
Cybus Max wrote:
It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???)


I like where this idea is going...but maybe a shorter timer...


Also obligatory bring moar deeps comment

I ♥ the orthrus
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#10 - 2012-06-29 13:32:07 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression.

As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy.

More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. P


+1

Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed.



I have no problem with SDing as an ingame feature, just create an KM when it happens under agression.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-29 13:33:43 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Honestly, I have no issue with the mechanic of self destructing. But when you have caps involved in a fight, and they SD, there is no record of them being lost due to being in battle. Sure, we didn't give it the killing blow, but it blew up BECAUSE of our aggression.

As such, just show it on the damn km as a SD and everyone will be happy.

More importantly, I am making salmon steaks on the grill for dinner today. P


+1

Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed.

Well that's not really leaving it alone, is it?

However, that would be a spot on solution for most. It's not about the loot.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-29 13:43:35 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Leave SD alone. But when under agression it should show the SD as having dealt the killing blow on the killmail. I bet far fewer would SD if it was going to show the lossmail anyhow. And doubly so if it showed the fact that you self destructed.

Well that's not really leaving it alone, is it?

However, that would be a spot on solution for most. It's not about the loot.[/quote]


Well, it is leaving the mechanics of self destruct alone (unlike other options, like you cannot SD under agression, or cannot for 15min if agressed).

It is only change the after effects of self destruct, namely getting a killmail out of it.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#13 - 2012-06-29 13:50:14 UTC
Griefing griefers by griefing yourself harder than they do is a valid way to say **** you. There just should be a record of you griefing yourself. YARR!
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-06-29 13:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Malception
Not being a KM wh02e, myself, I don't care if someone SDs in a POS as long as I get to 2ap3 their WH and pillage their women. That being said, I am in agreement with everyone who has said there should be some sort of SD tag on KMs of ships that are self destructed. It might also help if an unremovable "little b!7ch" tattoo was affixed to the foreheads of avatars that SD ships while under aggression.

-Mal
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2012-06-29 13:59:21 UTC
Perhaps not taking out the SD but that it shows in record as a taint, SD < lost fighting

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-06-29 14:19:49 UTC
SD should produce a km for the last person who shot them while the aggression timer is still active. SD in the middle of a battle should still count as a kill.

SD in a POS force field shouldn't give you a KM just for being in the system, it effectively denies the enemy assets and trolls them into whining about it on the forums. Roll
Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
#17 - 2012-06-29 14:28:32 UTC
Somebody has to say it:

"Waaah! I want people to see how long my epeen is! But I cannot, when somebody selfdestructs! Waaahh! So change the mechanic, because my epeen is so long! Look at my epeen! It's so long! Look at it!"

And of course nobody, who posted in this thread is a KM wh***. Yeah, sure you aren't...

But don't get me wrong: I think it's okay, when CCP takes a look at the mechanic. It's not that there were any bugs or broken machanics in this game which are more important to be looked at.

Spybeaver
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#18 - 2012-06-29 15:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:
Somebody has to say it:

"Waaah! I want people to see how long my epeen is! But I cannot, when somebody selfdestructs! Waaahh! So change the mechanic, because my epeen is so long! Look at my epeen! It's so long! Look at it!"

And of course nobody, who posted in this thread is a KM wh***. Yeah, sure you aren't...

But don't get me wrong: I think it's okay, when CCP takes a look at the mechanic. It's not that there were any bugs or broken machanics in this game which are more important to be looked at.


So whos your main in that list I posted in the top ?
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-06-29 15:27:25 UTC
Cybus Max wrote:
It should be same as logoffski if your aggressed you can't SD for 15 mins and you can't SD in a POS ( or you can't SD in bubbles???)



No, not it shouldn't. Self Destruct is there to prevent time griefing, where you get pointed, bubbled and re-aggressed to keep you there indefinitely. Thats the whole point of SD, if you get caught by assholes who are ok with idling for an hour or more while preventing you from playing the game. Everyone should have the ability to SD whenever the **** they want, except that a KM should be generated if the player was aggressed. CCP does not even have to make a lot of changes, just add Self Destruct as an involved party to the KM with the amount of damage that resulted from SDing. Simple.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#20 - 2012-06-29 15:39:18 UTC
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:
Somebody has to say it:

"Waaah! I want people to see how long my epeen is! But I cannot, when somebody selfdestructs! Waaahh! So change the mechanic, because my epeen is so long! Look at my epeen! It's so long! Look at it!"

And of course nobody, who posted in this thread is a KM wh***. Yeah, sure you aren't...

But don't get me wrong: I think it's okay, when CCP takes a look at the mechanic. It's not that there were any bugs or broken machanics in this game which are more important to be looked at.

You are saying this as if e-peen lengthening was a bad thing, and having an e-peen large enough to swat the Jita station to the sun with is not the only way to win EVE.

I disapprove of your message.
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