EVE General Discussion

You are confusing me with you.

So you're really going to go on with the ignorant fallacies? Ok then.

…and you obviously haven't read what I've written and just go for the prejudiced knee-jerk reaction. Good on you.

Now re-read what I've written. Also, while you're at it, re-read the OP. In particular, study in what contexts the word that offends you appear. Hint: there are three distinct sections to that OP, each with its own referent to the word “friend”.

No. The OP's point is as logical as saying that you should take your friend's king in chess when you introduce him to the game, because that's what the game entails. You should not trick your friend into silly RL-analogous thinking, because the ability to keep the two separate is rather important.

Who are “you people”?

Anyway, no, I act as if there is a constant risk of loss at the most surprising moment, and that knowing that this moment can (and will) happen, and preparing for it, is a very good thing to learn from an early stage. As it happens, losing stuff and taking the edge off of exploding in a fire ball is something that needs to happen rather early on — it's so important, in fact, that CCP even created a mission that requires this to happen in order to complete the mission. Being “afraid” of losing stuff is incredibly hampering to the ability to pursue many of the common long-term goals of the game. There are ways to work around this, and the more help people have with taking that edge off, the better.

Let's face it, if we were all about helping noobs, the obvious way to go about it would be to help create an environment and atmosphere that noobs find enjoyable to play in. There are a number of posts in this thread that speak in the language of "helping noobs", while seeming to be more about perpetuating certain attitudes and playstyles that the writers prefer. Let's at least be honest about what we're really writing about.

One of the first things I tell new players that I'm helping out is that it's just pixels and is just a game. We all get that moment of feeling stupid when we lose a ship, even after several years, but that's natural. If they lose a ship and complain about it in chat I have one simple response.

Welcome to EVE.

Much as I hate to, I agree with this. I have a RL friend who played EVE for a while and ragequit because he lost a Battleship that he took to a belt in lowsec to "get the feel of." That, and he also went three months getting only one kill. I feel all that could have been avodied if he discovered the joys of frig roaming.

Oh, you mean the attitude that the Devs share?




http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/25/eve-online-devs-on-dayz-elder-scrolls-online-and-whatd-make-them-quit-the-games-industry/

Most people really only get better by playing for real against people who are better then them in my experience. After a basic lesson on piece movement, I'd not want someone to hold my hand; let me learn through experience and observation, not hand holding.

To relate to Eve, the tutorial is you instruction on basic movements from above. After that, better start playing for real, and if I have a more skilled friend to go against me for real, all the better.

IMO its all this pussy protectionism in life these days that is going to make us weak; and is one of the causes of the common inflated sense of entitlement (from the peoe who are always sheltered).

/rant

Given your corp history, its apparently much safer to not have any friends and never join a player corp.

Also, if you cant **** in your friends corner, whos corner CAN you **** in eh?

The greatest gift to a neigbour

Is to mug them.

Say you just convinced your friend to go outside, you showed them a few video's to get them excited, so they decided to give it a go. They start going outside, reading up on current affairs a little bit, enjoying meeting new freinds, dreaming that one day theyll move from their push bike into something "cool" like a sports car or superbike. But they have to take it slow, as they are forced to. They start building relationships and getting a job, thinking of how when they are more confident and rich, they may be apart of something bigger than themselves. The neigbour settles on an old ford and dreams of their first 10k in the bank or massive street fight with their new skills as they are eager to put them to good use. Possibly that person has been cautious up to this point, dreading what would happen if everything they have worked for up to this point was destroyed. This is where the problem begins.

For some people, having "progress" eliminated makes them feel as what they did to obtain that progress was a waste. They may get discouraged and try to avoid these possible future hazards that remove "progress". If they get away with it, it will continue. The person at this point must be reminded of what makes life beautiful.

What makes life beautiful? It is a cold, harsh, dark place. Nothing you have in life is permanet. Everyone from the bigest governments to a small timee local store WILL fall, will be set back, will eventually lose progress. A universe where you can destroy everything someone has, you can befriend people, scam them, use propoganda, use them, take a person to a breaking point where they might even consider not being apart of the universe anymore. Everything is vulnerable, friendship, trust, and your own dignity.

That is why, if you care for people, you must wait until that person reaches a certain point, a short term goal that they have been dreaming of, almost to completion, when you sense the eagerness in their voice, knowing that they will finally get something of value, you must hide around a dark corner at night, beat them up and take it from them , then ring up their work claiming to be them and swear profusely at their boss until they are fired. After your neigbour is fired and recovering from teh shock of being mugged, repeatedly telephone the local government and complain about partys, drug abuse and noise coming from their house until they get evicted.

The sooner someone learns that I want you dead, my friend wants you dead, the old lady down the street wants you dead, your dog wants you dead and there is nothing you can do to stop it, you will fight back. You will win and lose. Just hope that youll last long enough to have a good time.

Dont get caught up in trying to keep obtaining in what you deem as "progress" as nothing in this life is permanet and any progress you get will be destroyed. People need to learn this early on, as life is nothing like other games. If you have a goal, try your best to complete it, then go get brutally mugged and beaten . Understand that it is ok if you lose something in this life, whether item, friend or trust. Just have fun with it.


Disclaimer: The above post is intended as sattire, I neither approve of, or condone beating people up and mugging them, or anything else I put in the post lol

The best gift you could give a friend in eve is by dragging their ass down to null sec. Then they can really learn how to play.

No, what you posted isn't really related to what I was saying. I'm not talking about the atmosphere of the world the game is set in, which is what Wrangler is on about there. Sometimes people are a little too quick to pull out the "HTFU this isn't hello kitty online" card.