Intergalactic Summit

"In the beginning all things were as one.
God parted them and breathed life into his creation
Divided the parts and gave each its place
And unto each, bestowed purpose"

- The Scriptures, Book I 1:4

So, why would God makes things "different" only to tell the Amarr to make them all the same?

Seems to me God loves variety.

When you are dead and I have your corpse, I will rip up a pax amarria and feed it to you. Hang it as a trophy and warning to those who preach lies, upon the bow of my vessel.

Name the place and once I'm back in space from my planet side visit. I'll be happy to fulfil your wish

Pot, meet kettle.

To Horak Thor,

I do not believe I ever accused you of racism. If I did, then I misspoke, forgive me.

The Amarr Religion is not the corrupting force, the misguided interpretation and instruction of the Scriptures is the corrupting force. The Amarr Religion is, like all religions, a flawed institution established and run by men or groups of men and therefore not perfect. It is for this reason that we must continually seek to compare our practice of religion to the purity of the Scriptures and cut away all extraneous practices. Once we begin replacing the simple truth and purity of the Scriptures with man-made rituals, decrees and practices, we begin separating ourselves further and further from that simple truth and purity.

In time and with clarity and earnest pursuit, perhaps we will understand where we have strayed. I would not seek to judge our disparities, as I am unfit to do so, I may only speak from my limited and humble perspective.

To Ava Starfire,

The very same Scriptures would suggest that the purpose of much of creation was to serve the Amarr and subsequently our God:



God does indeed love variety, He created it. He also bestowed upon all of Creation a purpose, individual to each creation yet collective to the whole. Please understand that God did not command the Amarr to make all of the creation the same, only to teach all of creation how to serve God and live righteously. This does not require the abolition of variety.

1) I never stated you supported pax amarria just the fact your dead corpses jaw would be clamped around it, it's more dramatic.
2) so I have to come find you? And by we you mean you won't be alone? Interesting acceptance to a 1 vs 1 challenge.

Agreed. Slavery is but one path toward righteousness. It is certainly not the only path and shouldn't be the one practiced first and foremost.



You are quite correct but the thought is also incomplete, and understand that this is not a slight against you. Take the Scripture as a whole, not just snippets. God created everything as He wanted them, bestowed upon each of them a purpose, then observed as they betrayed their purposes and turned their hearts and souls away from Him. In His wrath, He punished the unrighteousness but spared the Amarr, who remained living righteously before Him and elevated them to a higher purpose, bestowing upon them a new purpose: to cultivate and teach the spirit of man to once again pursue righteousness.

Does this mean the Amarr are incapable of error, incapable of sin and shortcoming? No. Only that we were chosen and tasked with this purpose and it is our duty to strive after it earnestly.



I do not believe the purpose of the passage is entirely metaphorical, but it is also not entirely literal. I do believe that the Amarr should live by example, the Scriptures make that very clear, but that is also only one part of the whole and only one path to righteousness. Consider, for instance, your last statement that I have quoted. Refraining from theft or murder does not equate to righteousness, it equates to morality. Righteousness is living a life according to the mandates and purposes of God.

That is not to say that being moral is not righteous, but that it alone is not the purity of righteousness that God expects. We are also purposed to pursue Him. Calling God by another name is not necessarily unrighteous by itself, but if the vision of God you are pursuing does not hold to the same order and does not maintain the same righteousness and expectations as God, then it is not God and sadly it will fall short of His expectations. There are many who will find themselves disappointed upon death to realize that they were not righteous before God, Amarrians among them.



Not quite, a small correction. I did not say the religion was not twisted, I said that the religion is based off of men who are, by nature and existence, not perfect. The source of the corruption must come from those who interpret and practice the religion, the religion itself is incapable of corruption. The basis for the religion is the Scriptures, but as the Scriptures continue to expand from the additions of men, the basis of the religion will subsequently expand. This is the source of the corruption, we continue to dilute the pure and simple truth of the Scriptures, my words are a call to return to the simplicity of the Scriptures.

To your last inquiry, no. I will not call for the release of billions of Matari slaves because it is neither my purpose nor my authority to do so. Many of those still in slavery have hope of righteousness before God and are provided and instructed righteously by their Holders. Sadly, there are also many that are abused and mistreated with no hope for righteousness because they are not being shown what righteousness is but instead being given reason to hate and despise God because His followers are perverting His mandate. Judgment will come but on God's time, not mine.

So does it matter by what name one calls "God"? Is God vain? Selfish?

Am I unrighteous because I follow the Spirits? Is a wicked holder righteous because he follows the Amarrian God?

To the first series of questions: No, I stated that what name you call God is irrelevant. It is the character, expectations and righteousness of God that must remain. If these attributes are missing, then that is where the error lay, not in the name. You worship many spirits, not one God. In this instance, the character of God is the source of the error because you attribute to many what should be attributed to only one: God. Whether you call that one being "God" or "Father Pator" is irrelevant.

To your last series of questions: Yes, you would be unrighteous before God because you do not attribute to Him alone what should be attributed to Him alone. Instead, you spread what should be His glory to a number of subservient spirits and seek their guidance and their approval instead of His alone. Because of this, you are unrighteous before God but you are not beyond His light and perhaps one day you will have a revelation of God as one and not many.

The "wicked Holder" is not righteous because he follows God, no. The pursuit of God is only one part of righteousness and those who live lives in contradiction to the standards set forth by God are not pursuing Him. Thus, by the fact of being "wicked" the Holder is unrighteous before God as well. The two paths must converge (one's morality and one's pursuit of God) to begin walking the path of righteousness.

I hope this has helped clarify what I mean to say for it is not an attempt to instigate or demean.



You are either not listening or I am being altogether unclear. I have explained, twice now, that the practice of a religion is dependent upon the men doing the practicing and interpreting. It is therefore impossible for the religion itself to be the source of corruption because without people practicing it and interpreting it, it cannot corrupt. Look beyond the religion itself and see the ones behind it, that is where the corruption lay.

We agree that the religion is inherently flawed, I even said so in my first response to you. I do not believe I ever stated that the simplest form of the Amarr religion is the same form it takes now and I would never make such a claim.

Finally, I never said that the ones in slavery were being "enlightened," I said there is hope for those being shown and instructed righteously to see God and find righteousness before Him. I also fully expected this claim to upset you because it has done so in the past and will continue to do so. Nevertheless, it remains the truth of the situation.

I have not and will not deny that many are mistreated and enslaved needlessly, nor will I deny the claim that many slavers are unrighteous themselves and seek not to instruct and demonstrate righteousness but instead abuse and thrive off of the labor of others. These belong to the aforementioned corruption of the Amarr Religion, serving as a product example and a source simultaneously.

Forgive me Aldrith, my intention was not to start a bickering contest. I will withdraw.

May His light shine upon the faithful.

Quite. I was hoping that Silas had the dignity to step down and not soil Tamiroth's work further with her ignorance, but as that won't be happening I'll simply let her know that she can speak to me through personal channels and I won't respond to her further here.