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Pipa Porto
#101 - 2012-06-29 08:45:56 UTC
Lukas Rox wrote:
Quote:
He may have been aligned but he wasn't paying attention.

Ever notice how long it takes to land on grid?


Yep, it takes a good few seconds. But the barge pilot has to understand that the ship warping in is actually a threat. That takes a second or two at least. Especially when the overview is showing a bunch of asteroids (hint, hint!) instead of ships warping from 20kkm away.


So they're not actually paying attention. Got it.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-06-29 08:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Lukas Rox wrote:
Yep, it takes a good few seconds. But the barge pilot has to understand that the ship warping in is actually a threat. That takes a second or two at least. Especially when the overview is showing a bunch of asteroids (hint, hint!) instead of ships warping from 20kkm away.


This is why it's so difficult. If we could get to see two overview tabs at the same time...

And Hulk gets over 30k EHP with heat.

[Hulk, Tankit]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Pipa Porto wrote:
So they're not actually paying attention. Got it.


How I can see contents of two overview tabs at the same time?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-06-29 08:49:23 UTC
There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.

Oh, you can't? Well, it's not my fault that you decided to mine in an area where the options to defend yourself are taken away from you. CONCORD only provides punishment. If you want protection, you will have to provide it yourself - or work together with other people to protect you.
Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
#104 - 2012-06-29 08:50:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lukas Rox wrote:
[Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k.
You forgot to overheat…

Quote:
TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank.
Sure they do. They can often simply outlive them unless you throw far more money at the gank than the kill is worth (hell, for particularly hard-tanked Hulks, the gank will cost more than the Hulk).


True, my fits assume the miner had roids on overview and didn't see the ganker coming until it was too late. Overheat will boost the EHP, but not much.

As you said it's only matter of numbers ;-) And yes I know miners survive, because I have survived some failed attempts in my own time as well. Hell, I might even go mining and try to get some killmails with a Hulk. For **** and giggles.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-06-29 08:51:05 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.


Sending your drones to attack that T1 frigate just ends up you losing your exhumer. Try again.
Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
#106 - 2012-06-29 08:52:16 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


This is why it's so difficult. If we could get to see two overview tabs at the same time...



You only need to switch to the "mining" tab when you switch roids. Otherwise have the "pvp" tab open.

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Pipa Porto
#107 - 2012-06-29 09:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.


Sending your drones to attack that T1 frigate just ends up you losing your exhumer. Try again.


Abdiel Kavash wrote:
There is a simple solution: shoot the bugger trying to bump you in a TI frigate.

Oh, you can't? Well, it's not my fault that you decided to mine in an area where the options to defend yourself are taken away from you. CONCORD only provides punishment. If you want protection, you will have to provide it yourself - or work together with other people to protect you.


Selective quoting makes you look almost as ridiculous as your fits. Which you need 6 more of.

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-RubyPorto
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-06-29 09:32:36 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Ptraci wrote:


*And don't give me that crap about drones, by the time the drones start shooting the hulk is usually dead.


Not if they are permadeployed sentry drones and stasis drones. Wait, that would lower your mining yield? Then risk a gank and maximize yield.


A Hulk has a 50m³ drone bay. Sentry drones take 25m³ space. Berserker webifier drone also takes 25m³ space. So would you suggest taking 1 sentry and 1 webifier or two sentries?

Good luck with that kind of protection.

Before you make stuff up you could at least look stuff up.
Pipa Porto
#109 - 2012-06-29 09:34:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
So they're not actually paying attention. Got it.


How I can see contents of two overview tabs at the same time?



Brackets.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-06-29 09:48:47 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Brackets.


How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?
Pipa Porto
#111 - 2012-06-29 09:50:18 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Brackets.


How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?


Shocked

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-06-29 11:04:58 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Brackets.


How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?


Shocked


Oh, I understand. I say at local "I have ungankable Hulk". After few minutes there would be ten -10s on grid with their Orca alts.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-06-29 11:08:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Brackets.


How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?


Shocked


Oh, I understand. I say at local "I have ungankable Hulk". After few minutes there would be ten -10s on grid with their Orca alts.

First you need to train Reading Comprehension to level I though.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-06-29 11:09:27 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Brackets.


How does bragging help me to see two overview tabs at the same time?


Shocked


Oh, I understand. I say at local "I have ungankable Hulk". After few minutes there would be ten -10s on grid with their Orca alts.



You may have misunderstood, brackets, is not bragging.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-06-29 11:12:12 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
First you need to train Reading Comprehension to level I though.


How those help me see pvp tab on overview when I'm choosing new roids from mining tab?
Pipa Porto
#116 - 2012-06-29 11:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
First you need to train Reading Comprehension to level I though.


How those help me see pvp tab on overview when I'm choosing new roids from mining tab?


By not trying to do that.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-06-29 11:58:14 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
By not trying to do that.


If I have to keep pvp tab on always it's quite difficult to mine.
Pipa Porto
#118 - 2012-06-29 12:14:42 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
By not trying to do that.


If I have to keep pvp tab on always it's quite difficult to mine.


That's what the brackets are for.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-06-29 12:19:43 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
That's what the brackets are for.


That would mean I have "spin" my ship in space ever 2 seconds to see if there's someone else on same belt. And it wouldn't help with cloaky ships.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#120 - 2012-06-29 12:24:26 UTC
…I seem to recall that there are a number of ways to call up a list of nearby asteroids, if you don't want to go the bracket route. Oh, and no, you don't have to spin the camera around all that much — adjust your zoom and FOV, and you'll have a spectacularly good 360° view of the belt and its surroundings.