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Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
#81 - 2012-06-29 05:40:42 UTC
I find it funny how small ships can even bump big ships... it is comical almost. taking a charon for example, shouldn't one of those just run over a frigate like a Semi Truck hitting a Mazda Miata?

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Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-06-29 05:48:29 UTC
Viktor Fyretracker wrote:
I find it funny how small ships can even bump big ships... it is comical almost. taking a charon for example, shouldn't one of those just run over a frigate like a Semi Truck hitting a Mazda Miata?


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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-06-29 06:34:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers.


I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#84 - 2012-06-29 06:38:01 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers.


I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor.
Most cruisers do not get 80k+ EHP.
Josef Djugashvilis
#85 - 2012-06-29 06:47:06 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
Yes they can - most ganking is done for fun, any profit is just a bonus.
…so they'll pick a target that is sure to blow up. I.e. not the tanked Hulk.


As a member of the idle rich, I'm here to tell you that you seriously underestimate the fun in blowing up something that some sucker has obviously spent a lot of time and effort setting up.


Thank you for stating the blindingly obvious.

No doubt Tippia will argue against this just for the sake of arguing.

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Pipa Porto
#86 - 2012-06-29 06:47:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers.


I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor.


Here we go again.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#87 - 2012-06-29 06:53:39 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
No doubt Tippia will argue against this just for the sake of arguing.
No need. Others have already done it.

The simple fact of the matter is that it's not being done to any kind of statistically relevant extent, and even they will pick the target that's sure to blow up over the one that isn't.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-06-29 06:55:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Most cruisers do not get 80k+ EHP.


Cruiser with suitcase has around the same EHP you can get from Covetor. For example fully tanked Arbitrator is around 26k EHP.
Pipa Porto
#89 - 2012-06-29 06:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Most cruisers do not get 80k+ EHP.


Cruiser with suitcase has around the same EHP you can get from Covetor. For example fully tanked Arbitrator is around 26k EHP.


You promised 80k EHP from "Most Cruisers" Where's my 80k EHP Caracal. My 80k EHP Stabber. My 80k EHP Rupture.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#90 - 2012-06-29 07:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Cruiser with suitcase has around the same EHP you can get from Covetor. For example fully tanked Arbitrator is around 26k EHP.
And that is relevant to your ridiculous insinuation how, exactly?

Most cruisers do not get 80k+ EHP.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-06-29 07:06:04 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
My 80k EHP Rupture.


Here ya go! 87k with Slaves and before fleet bonuses.

[Rupture, test]

'Bailey' 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2012-06-29 07:17:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Here ya go! 87k with Slaves and before fleet bonuses.
…so in other words, no, most cruisers do not have 80k+ EHP.
Pipa Porto
#93 - 2012-06-29 07:21:49 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
My 80k EHP Rupture.


Here ya go! 87k with Slaves and before fleet bonuses.

[Rupture, test]

'Bailey' 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II



Ok, and My Caracal, and My Stabber, and My Blackbird.

You promised most. Get a plurality and you can continue.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-06-29 08:26:04 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
My Caracal


107k

[Caracal, Caracal fit]

Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Pipa Porto wrote:
My Stabber


86k with Tengu booster

[Stabber, Stabber fit]

Imperial Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates
Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Pipa Porto wrote:
My Blackbird


82,6k

[Blackbird, Blackbird fit]

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2012-06-29 08:29:00 UTC
This is so bad, I don´t even....

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Pipa Porto
#96 - 2012-06-29 08:29:59 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
My Caracal


107k

[Caracal, Caracal fit]

Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Pipa Porto wrote:
My Stabber


86k with Tengu booster

[Stabber, Stabber fit]

Imperial Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates
Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Pipa Porto wrote:
My Blackbird


82,6k

[Blackbird, Blackbird fit]

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II



There are 16 T1 Cruisers. You've got 4 down. 6 to got to get a plurality.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
#97 - 2012-06-29 08:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lukas Rox
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers.


I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor.


Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k. There is just not enough PG to fit both shield/armor buffer mods and 3 Strip Miners.

And there is really no escape from a well performed gank. There is just a tiny window where you can click "warp" button, even if your Hulk is aligned. I have been on the other end of the stick at some point in the past. I have killed a Hulk which was doing just that, flying at full speed towards a station. I have tackled it the same instant I have landed upon the poor guy. I have used my alt in a cov-ops frigate as a warp-in.

This approach is nearly foolproof, and there is no real defence against it.

TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank. EHP boost would likely solve this issue. It won;t make ganking impossible, but it will require much more resources (i.e. a 'nado or Talos).

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Pipa Porto
#98 - 2012-06-29 08:41:46 UTC
Lukas Rox wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Coveter gets the same tank as most cruisers.


I would like to see this 80k+ EHP Covetor.


Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k. There is just not enough PG to fit both shield/armor buffer mods and 3 Strip Miners.

And there is really no escape from a well performed gank. There is just a tiny window where you can click "warp" button, even if your Hulk is aligned. I have been on the other end of the stick at some point in the past. I have killed a Hulk which was doing just that, flying at full speed towards a station. I have tackled it the same instant I have landed upon the poor guy. I have used my alt in a cov-ops frigate as a warp-in.

This approach is nearly foolproof, and there is no real defence against it.

TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank.


He may have been aligned but he wasn't paying attention.

Ever notice how long it takes to land on grid?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
#99 - 2012-06-29 08:44:15 UTC
Quote:
He may have been aligned but he wasn't paying attention.

Ever notice how long it takes to land on grid?


Yep, it takes a good few seconds. But the barge pilot has to understand that the ship warping in is actually a threat. That takes a second or two at least. Especially when the overview is showing a bunch of asteroids (hint, hint!) instead of ships warping from 20kkm away.

Proud developer of LMeve: Industry Contribution and Mass Production Tracker: https://github.com/roxlukas/lmeve | Blogging about EVE on http://pozniak.pl/wp/
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#100 - 2012-06-29 08:45:50 UTC
Lukas Rox wrote:
[Covetor won't get past 15k EHP, and Hulk won't get more than 30k.
You forgot to overheat…

Quote:
TL;DR Mining Barges and Exhumers don't have the means to survive a well executed gank.
Sure they do. They can often simply outlive them unless you throw far more money at the gank than the kill is worth (hell, for particularly hard-tanked Hulks, the gank will cost more than the Hulk).