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New dev blog: The FW Exploit 2012 (or: How I learned about FOREX)

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#301 - 2012-06-30 00:23:04 UTC
Youli Kepain wrote:
Lets see how badly I will get flamed for this...

After all this is now done(more or less), there is only one thing left to say to the 5 Gentlemen responsible:
Well played, Sirs, well played.

It was a common sentiment in our reveal thread, so you won't necessarily get as flamed as you think... :)

Ethilia wrote:
Then my reading comprehension must be bust:
Aryth wrote:
Ship replacement programs are funded through alliance income. Tech/Ratting/POCO Taxes. Our finances are public, so you can see the exact amounts if you want.



News to me. I know we have an internal auditor but I can't seem to figure out where the public bit comes from.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#302 - 2012-06-30 00:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aryth
We provide this to all our members/allies etc. It's public. So you can see, at the large alliance level, it's a different game. Luckily for you guys, we mostly spend it pounding other null sec alliances to death. Which is as it should be. Only when we get bored do we go to high-sec and lay waste. Yes, that is intentional phrasing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlIIq5agK7rWdDRnaWwzMVRrYTFCTG1sZEJhTWN1Z1E&authkey=CMng2u0B&hl=en&authkey=CMng2u0B#gid=5

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#303 - 2012-06-30 00:43:38 UTC
I guess I look pretty dumb now :welp:

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#304 - 2012-06-30 01:02:19 UTC
corestwo wrote:
I guess I look pretty dumb now :welp:


That's why he's Riker and I'm Picard.

A Picard with an Eyepatch, and a black Hat.


ARRRRR

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Ethilia
Freelance Excavation and Resistance
#305 - 2012-06-30 01:04:37 UTC
Aryth wrote:
We provide this to all our members/allies etc. It's public. So you can see, at the large alliance level, it's a different game. Luckily for you guys, we mostly spend it pounding other null sec alliances to death. Which is as it should be. Only when we get bored do we go to high-sec and lay waste. Yes, that is intentional phrasing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlIIq5agK7rWdDRnaWwzMVRrYTFCTG1sZEJhTWN1Z1E&authkey=CMng2u0B&hl=en&authkey=CMng2u0B#gid=5


Holy monkey balls! Where does all that extra isk go? If that monthly surplus is any indication there must be 100's of trillions of isk sloshing around the various bloc wallets Shocked.

Also, I find it amusing we cannot dress links properly on the forums. I guess CCP likes undressed ... links.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#306 - 2012-06-30 01:05:19 UTC
Aryth wrote:
corestwo wrote:
I guess I look pretty dumb now :welp:


That's why he's Riker and I'm Picard.

A Picard with an Eyepatch, and a black Hat.


ARRRRR

Better analogy? You're Kirk, I'm Spock. That is, you have all the ideas, and I do all the hard thinkin'.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Ethilia
Freelance Excavation and Resistance
#307 - 2012-06-30 01:05:53 UTC
corestwo wrote:
I guess I look pretty dumb now :welp:


I generally assume I'm an idiot and thereby am pleasantly surprised once in a while Big smile,
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#308 - 2012-06-30 01:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aryth
corestwo wrote:
Aryth wrote:
corestwo wrote:
I guess I look pretty dumb now :welp:


That's why he's Riker and I'm Picard.

A Picard with an Eyepatch, and a black Hat.


ARRRRR

Better analogy? You're Kirk, I'm Spock. That is, you have all the ideas, and I do all the hard thinkin'.


Yep, I get all the space hookers. And the coke. Can't forget all the coke.

Edit: and then I self-destruct said hookers in my personal game of EVE survivor.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Zastrow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#309 - 2012-06-30 04:23:40 UTC
meanwhile I get BAD INVESTMENT ADVICE FROM ARYTH

yo ccp make this man whole he owes me 2 bil T W O BILLION INTERSTELLAR KREDITs or islandic kronur i'll take whatever
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#310 - 2012-06-30 04:24:34 UTC
Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain wrote:
Seems to me CCP is just trying to brush this one under the carpet instead of accepting the fact they messed up big time and they're the only ones at fault. This is no different from the older insurance payouts which so many people abused of until it got changed. But classifying it as an exploit only shows a complete detachment either from reality or the English language. By their own admission:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
This can be compared to foreign exchange manipulation.


Now we have all heard of this before, sure. And it's called this for a reason. Ever heard anyone calling it foreign exhange exploit? Let the sandbox play itself out, small government yea!


Yes we're trying to brush it under the carpet so much we made a dev blog about it. I really can't even address how much this is just UGH and this is the basis of every tinfoil situation I'm meant to deal with professionally. I have no words.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Pipa Porto
#311 - 2012-06-30 04:31:46 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain wrote:
Seems to me CCP is just trying to brush this one under the carpet instead of accepting the fact they messed up big time and they're the only ones at fault. This is no different from the older insurance payouts which so many people abused of until it got changed. But classifying it as an exploit only shows a complete detachment either from reality or the English language. By their own admission:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
This can be compared to foreign exchange manipulation.


Now we have all heard of this before, sure. And it's called this for a reason. Ever heard anyone calling it foreign exhange exploit? Let the sandbox play itself out, small government yea!


Yes we're trying to brush it under the carpet so much we made a dev blog about it. I really can't even address how much this is just UGH and this is the basis of every tinfoil situation I'm meant to deal with professionally. I have no words.


I almost always have words.

Reynold's Kitchen.com is >>>> Thataway!

They're not always useful.

(I'm honestly not sure there's much life left in this thread for productive discussion. You should see if you can strike a deal with Reynolds for a percentage of the sales you'll generate when you eventually close the thread.)

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-RubyPorto
Ethilia
Freelance Excavation and Resistance
#312 - 2012-06-30 04:48:02 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain wrote:
Seems to me CCP is just trying to brush this one under the carpet instead of accepting the fact they messed up big time and they're the only ones at fault. This is no different from the older insurance payouts which so many people abused of until it got changed. But classifying it as an exploit only shows a complete detachment either from reality or the English language. By their own admission:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
This can be compared to foreign exchange manipulation.


Now we have all heard of this before, sure. And it's called this for a reason. Ever heard anyone calling it foreign exhange exploit? Let the sandbox play itself out, small government yea!


Yes we're trying to brush it under the carpet so much we made a dev blog about it. I really can't even address how much this is just UGH and this is the basis of every tinfoil situation I'm meant to deal with professionally. I have no words.


Let me tell you what's really infuriating! I have it on good authority everyone in CCP alliance has by far the best carebearing space anywhere! What is worse is that they are paid in a special currency, krona or some such, which has a fantastic exchange rate. They are paid massive amounts of this currency and allowed to exchange it for oodles of PLEX or, if they want, real $$$ like USD or EURO (I guess they need lots of beer and chips while carebearing in Reykjavik system).
Frying Doom
#313 - 2012-06-30 04:58:15 UTC
Well Lord Zim was right, goons don't get banned for this kind of thing.

The post on the Dev blog "I wrote a blog on "Responsible Disclosures" a year or so ago. In that blog I mention that telling us about something after you've used the heck out of it isn't what we consider to be responsible. We do our best to be lenient in cases such as this but we want this to serve as a notice to the community that the proper time to alert us to the issue was before actually using the system."

It shows as such a good warning "Do what ever you want and we will just roll everything back to pretend it didn't happen."
Yeah Good deterant that one.

I at least hope the other members of the 5 are going to shank the snitch.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Comrade Sesk
Kitsune Holdings Inc.
#314 - 2012-06-30 05:51:48 UTC
I'm not happy CCP is not punishing exploiters.
Cybarite
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2012-06-30 07:55:42 UTC
oh god, grey area people, the plain fact is they don't want to discourage people from pushing the limits because the things that come of it are their best marketing tools.

Could we please just beat on the devs a little for implementing an open ended system with market manipulation vulnerabilities? I mean come on, this was inevitable as soon as they went live with such a half baked feature.
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#316 - 2012-06-30 10:37:07 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:


I at least hope the other members of the 5 are going to shank the snitch.



There was no single snitch, The whole thing was planned to be shown to CCP all along, they never planned to continue to use it after pointing it out to CCP and after CCP had addressed it.
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#317 - 2012-06-30 10:43:08 UTC
corestwo wrote:

Well its not like burn jita, hulkageddon, OTEC and the ice interdiction from last year are all interconnected somehow. What kind of crazy conspiracist would believe THAT? Shocked


If only i could use all the info we have to actually profit on this like you guys i'd be happy.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#318 - 2012-06-30 10:50:53 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Well Lord Zim was right, goons don't get banned for this kind of thing.

The post on the Dev blog "I wrote a blog on "Responsible Disclosures" a year or so ago. In that blog I mention that telling us about something after you've used the heck out of it isn't what we consider to be responsible. We do our best to be lenient in cases such as this but we want this to serve as a notice to the community that the proper time to alert us to the issue was before actually using the system."

It shows as such a good warning "Do what ever you want and we will just roll everything back to pretend it didn't happen."
Yeah Good deterant that one.

I at least hope the other members of the 5 are going to shank the snitch.


hi when I ban someone I can't tell you about it and you know that I hope this helps

I'm pretty sure nobody in the history of CCP has banned more people than I have including basically any alliance in the game

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#319 - 2012-06-30 12:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
CCP Sreegs wrote:
To clarify, we'd like to see the system function as intended so we don't have to worry about it.

Then don't release stupid expansions that weren't tested properly, like very bad UI and FW exploits.
Do more testing and ask players to test stuff out first and tell their opinion about it, not just release expansion that is crap.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#320 - 2012-06-30 13:33:00 UTC
Spc One wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
To clarify, we'd like to see the system function as intended so we don't have to worry about it.

Then don't release stupid expansions that weren't tested properly, like very bad UI and FW exploits.
Do more testing and ask players to test stuff out first and tell their opinion about it, not just release expansion that is crap.


This valuable feedback will be noted.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012