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Is there crime with no victim?

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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#21 - 2012-06-30 09:22:25 UTC
From reading these posts I have updated the OP with the following

I'm going to add here after reading posts that crimes like speeding, not stopping at stop signs, using your Mobil whilst driving. These all have victims in potiantia. (sorry if spelling is off) but this means that their is the possibility of a victim. Weather or not it happened or not is not the point. If speeding through a 30 zone you could not stop in time before you run over a 12 year old kid playing football. You may have gotten away with not stopping at that stop sign but it's there to make drivers alert that their about to cross onto a more dangerous road to avoid collisions and killing entire family's. You may get pissed off at a $200 fine but it's deaths, fataliatys and loss of family's their trying to avoid. So no. I don't think those MINOR infractions are victimless at all

Also when it comes to drugs. From smoking weed to the hard stuff let me tell you something from someone who has seen the bad side of these. I've never done drugs my self. I don't beleve in them. Although their are a lot of people who do. If you want to mess yourself up fine go head I won't stop you. But I have seen what it did to people. My own step father (RIP) needed weed because he had an injury. One that killed him in the end. But when he was alive the pain he had was so great that no legal medication could help. So he turned to growing weed and smoking it to help numb the pain. But he got so paranoid that he often thought I was sleeping with my mother and got so violent that when he tried to hit my mum I took the hit my self. And he also ended up punching holes in the wall too. Drugs ruin people and although that's self inflicted the real victims are the people around them. They ruin lives
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#22 - 2012-07-01 03:58:54 UTC
Maxious wrote:

...stuff..


OP seems to believe that laws, made by imperfect men are flawless and that every stop sign is placed correctly where it makes sense. Well... sorry to rain on your parade but laws are often made to make money. City has bills to pay, employees to feed, etc.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#23 - 2012-07-01 04:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
whoops... dbl post

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#24 - 2012-07-01 08:59:04 UTC
Some consider me posting a crime, but most know that nobody on these forums has enough humanity nor soul to be considered a victim. Ergo, I am a victimless crime.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#25 - 2012-07-01 11:29:21 UTC
...and I am a meatless hamburger.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#26 - 2012-07-01 12:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Copine Callmeknau
Maxious wrote:
So he turned to growing weed and smoking it to help numb the pain. But he got so paranoid that he often thought I was sleeping with my mother and got so violent that when he tried to hit my mum I took the hit my self.

Grow better weed? Roll
aka
He's doing it wrong

Can't blame the drug for what a tool decides to do with it

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#27 - 2012-07-01 12:49:05 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Maxious wrote:

...stuff..


OP seems to believe that laws, made by imperfect men are flawless and that every stop sign is placed correctly where it makes sense. Well... sorry to rain on your parade but laws are often made to make money. City has bills to pay, employees to feed, etc.


I never said that their flawless. In fact I do agree that'd their are things in politics such as courpt government, people who want to twist the laws to their own personal greed. Although I do beleve that the first person who thought of the stop sign really had good intent on reducing traffic accidents. But the person he told it to would have thought what a good way to make money
Alara IonStorm
#28 - 2012-07-01 12:54:34 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Maxious wrote:

...stuff..


OP seems to believe that laws, made by imperfect men are flawless and that every stop sign is placed correctly where it makes sense. Well... sorry to rain on your parade but laws are often made to make money. City has bills to pay, employees to feed, etc.


I never said that their flawless. In fact I do agree that'd their are things in politics such as courpt government, people who want to twist the laws to their own personal greed. Although I do beleve that the first person who thought of the stop sign really had good intent on reducing traffic accidents. But the person he told it to would have thought what a good way to make money

There is however a way around the evil stop sign money stealing conspiracy.

I will have to write the answer in code since the Stopinati would have me killed in a mysterious traffic accident if I divulged the secret to defeating them.

... - --- .--. / .- - / - .... . / ... .. --. -. .-.-.-

Tell no one.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#29 - 2012-07-01 12:54:41 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Maxious wrote:
So he turned to growing weed and smoking it to help numb the pain. But he got so paranoid that he often thought I was sleeping with my mother and got so violent that when he tried to hit my mum I took the hit my self.

Can't blame the drug for what a tool decides to do with it


Hmm interesting thing you said there. If a human brings up a dog angry and trains it to kill, then releases it in public which then does kill. Who's at fault? The dog for doing what he's been nurtured to do? Or the person who released the dog? The person may have murder on his mind but it will be the dog that's put down
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#30 - 2012-07-01 12:58:20 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Maxious wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Maxious wrote:

...stuff..


OP seems to believe that laws, made by imperfect men are flawless and that every stop sign is placed correctly where it makes sense. Well... sorry to rain on your parade but laws are often made to make money. City has bills to pay, employees to feed, etc.


I never said that their flawless. In fact I do agree that'd their are things in politics such as courpt government, people who want to twist the laws to their own personal greed. Although I do beleve that the first person who thought of the stop sign really had good intent on reducing traffic accidents. But the person he told it to would have thought what a good way to make money

There is however a way around the evil stop sign money stealing conspiracy.

I will have to write the answer in code since the Stopinati would have me killed in a mysterious traffic accident if I divulged the secret to defeating them.

... - --- .--. / .- - / - .... . / ... .. --. -. .-.-.-

Tell no one.


Hmm interesting. I'm not that fluent in morse code. But is the first letter S?


I'm guessing it's somewhere along the lines of STOP THE GOD DAM CAR YOU FOOL
Alara IonStorm
#31 - 2012-07-01 13:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Maxious wrote:

Hmm interesting. I'm not that fluent in morse code. But is the first letter S?

Just type in Morse Code Translator into Google. I don't need to learn interesting talents when the internet does it for me.

Maxious wrote:

I'm guessing it's somewhere along the lines of STOP THE GOD DAM CAR YOU FOOL

Bout the gist of it yes.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#32 - 2012-07-01 13:02:24 UTC
'Stop at the sign' according to the Naughtzy morse code deciphering machine.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#33 - 2012-07-01 13:36:27 UTC
Hehe got to love the net
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#34 - 2012-07-02 09:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Copine Callmeknau
Maxious wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Maxious wrote:
So he turned to growing weed and smoking it to help numb the pain. But he got so paranoid that he often thought I was sleeping with my mother and got so violent that when he tried to hit my mum I took the hit my self.

Can't blame the drug for what a tool decides to do with it


Hmm interesting thing you said there. If a human brings up a dog angry and trains it to kill, then releases it in public which then does kill. Who's at fault? The dog for doing what he's been nurtured to do? Or the person who released the dog? The person may have murder on his mind but it will be the dog that's put down

Over here the dog would be put down AND the owner would go to jail.


But yeh for the record different strains of weed produce different results, you can get some that (lets say) relieves your pain but makes you super paranoid, you could also get some that relieves your anxiety/paranoia but gives you real bad bloodshot eyes, you can get some that gives your appetite back but gives you terrible drymouth.

People susceptible to violent paranoid outbursts should definitely not smoke paranoia inducing weed.


Regardless of how you feel about weed/drugs though, I firmly believe that it's a basic human right of a person to choose what to put into their body (be that alcohol, food, drugs or genitals), so long as they're willing to accept the physiological consequences of doing so and are held fully accountable for their actions if they do something stupid.
I'm a consenting adult of sound judgement living in a supposedly free country, if I choose to smoke it up in the privacy of my own home that is nobodies business but mine, it certainly isn't up to the government to tell me I can't. It certainly is a victimless crime.

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#35 - 2012-07-02 14:53:15 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Maxious wrote:
So he turned to growing weed and smoking it to help numb the pain. But he got so paranoid that he often thought I was sleeping with my mother and got so violent that when he tried to hit my mum I took the hit my self.

Can't blame the drug for what a tool decides to do with it


Hmm interesting thing you said there. If a human brings up a dog angry and trains it to kill, then releases it in public which then does kill. Who's at fault? The dog for doing what he's been nurtured to do? Or the person who released the dog? The person may have murder on his mind but it will be the dog that's put down


http://dogbitelaw.com/criminal-penalties-for-dog-bites/criminal-penalties-for-a-dog-bite.html

There is a reason why Pit Bulls and Rotties have such a bad rap and are generally not allowed in several area's/establishment. Doesn't matter if all you've done is give it love and affection, too many people aren't willing to give it a chance. I've got a Rotten Retriever which means that he looks like a golden retriever but with the Rottie colors and he certainly doesn't carry the temperament of a Rottie, but as soon as people hear what breed he is I get an automatic no to whatever I'm trying to invite him to.

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