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Just started playing this game and I can't believe the quest system is broken.

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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-28 06:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Arsten
Trying to do the Sisters of Eve story arc with a friend and you basically have to do the quest twice even though you are "partied" up. What gives? Do they not want people playing together in an MMO?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-06-28 06:49:06 UTC
Yes, they do, but the missions are just a mini-game, means to an end. Only do them if you need standings for trading or industrial purposes.

EVE is not a quest-grinding game.

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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-28 06:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Arsten
We arent' grinding, we are doing a story arc...correction, we were trying to.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-28 06:55:03 UTC
1. It's called missions not quests.

2. It's not broken. In EVE each player gets his own missions. So if you both want to do the Epic Arc, you have to do them twice. Nothing stops you from doing it together. Lots of mission runners team up. One accepts the mission, both run them and they share the reward. But it's not so that if you both accepted a mission you can complete one and with that the other is completed. This is cause everybody that accepts its mission get their own mission pocket.

EVE =/= WoW. Stop comparing EVE to WoW (or tis clones), EVE works different.

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-06-28 06:56:26 UTC
Only took 10mins... I lost my bet.

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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-28 06:58:26 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
1. It's called missions not quests.

2. It's not broken. In EVE each player gets his own missions. So if you both want to do the Epic Arc, you have to do them twice. Nothing stops you from doing it together. Lots of mission runners team up. One accepts the mission, both run them and they share the reward. But it's not so that if you both accepted a mission you can complete one and with that the other is completed. This is cause everybody that accepts its mission get their own mission pocket.

EVE =/= WoW. Stop comparing EVE to WoW (or tis clones), EVE works different.


I'm not insulting you're baby, why you getting mad. It is broken, admit it. Doing the same quest twice doesn't make sense.
Falaitcha Patrouette
United Federation Navy
#7 - 2012-06-28 07:02:10 UTC
Darius Arsten wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
1. It's called missions not quests.

2. It's not broken. In EVE each player gets his own missions. So if you both want to do the Epic Arc, you have to do them twice. Nothing stops you from doing it together. Lots of mission runners team up. One accepts the mission, both run them and they share the reward. But it's not so that if you both accepted a mission you can complete one and with that the other is completed. This is cause everybody that accepts its mission get their own mission pocket.

EVE =/= WoW. Stop comparing EVE to WoW (or tis clones), EVE works different.


I'm not insulting you're baby, why you getting mad. It is broken, admit it. Doing the same quest twice doesn't make sense.


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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-06-28 07:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Arsten
1. A rose by any other name is still a rose.

2. That isn't comparing anything either. If you are in a fleet and both have the same "mission" with the same "objectives" they should complete when you do them together. That would make sense even if you had never played any other game in your life.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-06-28 07:06:38 UTC
Like said, don't worry about the missions, nobody in their right mind does them unless they absolutely need standings to do some real EVE stuff.

They are broken, you are correct, but your notion is just one example.

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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-28 07:09:16 UTC
Roime wrote:
Like said, don't worry about the missions, nobody in their right mind does them unless they absolutely need standings to do some real EVE stuff.

They are broken, you are correct, but your notion is just one example.


Fair enough Roime. I was doing them because it was recommended by the Corp since it will take some time to skill up to be competitive. A friend and I were trying to do them together and it is frustrating that you can't do them together unless you do it all twice.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-28 07:09:34 UTC
Darius Arsten wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
1. It's called missions not quests.

2. It's not broken. In EVE each player gets his own missions. So if you both want to do the Epic Arc, you have to do them twice. Nothing stops you from doing it together. Lots of mission runners team up. One accepts the mission, both run them and they share the reward. But it's not so that if you both accepted a mission you can complete one and with that the other is completed. This is cause everybody that accepts its mission get their own mission pocket.

EVE =/= WoW. Stop comparing EVE to WoW (or tis clones), EVE works different.


I'm not insulting you're baby, why you getting mad. It is broken, admit it. Doing the same quest twice doesn't make sense.

I'm not mad. You just think that EvE standing mechanics work the same as you precious other MMO. It doesn't. EVE picks out a mission and creates a mission pocket for you. 2 persons = 2 pockets, want to run missions together, one accepts a mission then you clear it and when completing you share rewards. What is brlken about it. You both want to complete SoE epic, then you both have to run the missions for each account. Making pockets universal will be great, gankers will find them and shoot/loot anybody that tries to run them.

Again (and it's just a tip): Forget about WoW, 99.9% of the times EvE works differently. So best to approach it with a clear view so you see why they did it this way.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-28 07:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Darius Arsten wrote:
Roime wrote:
Like said, don't worry about the missions, nobody in their right mind does them unless they absolutely need standings to do some real EVE stuff.

They are broken, you are correct, but your notion is just one example.


Fair enough Roime. I was doing them because it was recommended by the Corp since it will take some time to skill up to be competitive. A friend and I were trying to do them together and it is frustrating that you can't do them together unless you do it all twice.


You can do them together. But only one of you will officially complete the arc. But you can just team up and run them together. In the end it doesnt matter if they show up as completed or not in your journal.

E: In only 2 weeks you can fly basic frigate if by competitive means PvP.

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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-28 07:16:25 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

You can do them together. But only one of you will officially complete the arc. But you can just team up and run them together. In the end it doesnt matter if they show up as completed or not in your journal.

E: In only 2 weeks you can fly basic frigate if by competitive means PvP.


Got to do something for 2 weeks and doing missions will help with understanding the basics of the game. Beats mining and shooting lasers at rocks for 2 weeks.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-28 07:17:21 UTC
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2. That isn't comparing anything either. If you are in a fleet and both have the same "mission" with the same "objectives" they should complete when you do them together. That would make sense even if you had never played any other game in your life.


Well it isn't cause of mechanics. Outside of the epic arc story missions are pulled blank out of a big box. So chance you both get the same mission is near to none.

Just do some research on the mission mechanics.

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Darius Arsten
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-28 07:19:43 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
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2. That isn't comparing anything either. If you are in a fleet and both have the same "mission" with the same "objectives" they should complete when you do them together. That would make sense even if you had never played any other game in your life.


Well it isn't cause of mechanics. Outside of the epic arc story missions are pulled blank out of a big box. So chance you both get the same mission is near to none.

Just do some research on the mission mechanics.


But we were doing the arc, that was my point. I understand the other missions are different and we didn't have the same ones so having an option to split the reward made sense. On the arc where they are the same quest it doesn't makes sense.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-28 07:34:58 UTC
Darius Arsten wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Quote:

2. That isn't comparing anything either. If you are in a fleet and both have the same "mission" with the same "objectives" they should complete when you do them together. That would make sense even if you had never played any other game in your life.


Well it isn't cause of mechanics. Outside of the epic arc story missions are pulled blank out of a big box. So chance you both get the same mission is near to none.

Just do some research on the mission mechanics.


But we were doing the arc, that was my point. I understand the other missions are different and we didn't have the same ones so having an option to split the reward made sense. On the arc where they are the same quest it doesn't makes sense.


So you ask that CCP put time and money into something hardly anybody does together. SoE is easily done solo. Same with normalmissions btw. Usually fleet running in missions is to share standings.

Also, said this twice already, you can do the SoE together. Just pick one of you guys that runs the mission and then share the rewards. Okay this will mean you don't get it as completed in your journal. But nobody will really cares about that but you.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2012-06-28 08:41:39 UTC
You can try different things and see what you like, haul some stuff, mine, go exploring while you get basic skills in order. However, competitiveness in EVE is only partly related to skills, your survival and success is almost completely dependent on situational awareness, experience and understanding of game mechanics.

Don't fall for the trap of waiting for that X skill to finish before diving into the game :)

I do however fully agree with you that doing stuff together is cool, and CCP should improve the new players experience to emphasize that.

Have fun!

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Keno Skir
#18 - 2012-06-28 08:47:28 UTC
Darius Arsten wrote:
I'm not insulting you're baby, why you getting mad. It is broken, admit it. Doing the same quest twice doesn't make sense.


I'm not mad man, you just misunderstand the game because you havn't been playing very long. It's an easy mistake to make when you don't fully grasp the complexity of the matter.

For isntance what happens in your perfect world when a person destroys half the pirates in a mission, then fleets with someone who has just accepted the same mission. Do the rats spawn again for the first guy? or does the second guy get an easy ride for the same reward due to the first guys hard work? Perhaps guy 2 should recieve reduced rewards or something but really it just works better if each persons missions are a personal instance and pilots just help each other with them.

As said, not mad mate, just in dis-agreement.

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Nerpimus
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-28 09:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerpimus
I think homie's got something of a point here, especially considering how bloody long the SoE story arc is. If nothing else, it'd probably help the new player experience if two or more rookies were able to run through the arc together, from start to finish, rather than having to run the same quest multiple times. Both (or more) players have a sense of progression/achievement, and nobody feels like an oblivious sidekick.

Keno Skir wrote:


For isntance what happens in your perfect world when a person destroys half the pirates in a mission, then fleets with someone who has just accepted the same mission. Do the rats spawn again for the first guy? or does the second guy get an easy ride for the same reward due to the first guys hard work? Perhaps guy 2 should recieve reduced rewards or something but really it just works better if each persons missions are a personal instance and pilots just help each other with them.


I don't think it really matters that much. The late comer would miss out on whatever bounties were to be had, and the mission rewards aren't all that awesome to begin with.

EDIT: I should point out that I'm talking about the SoE arc specifically; not missions in general or the other epic arcs.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#20 - 2012-06-28 09:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
These are not Quests. Quests you do, you get a Quest log that gives you a "Complete" then you do the next quest. Then you compare your quest log size with others to get a shallow sense of empowerment. In a quest system. If you do a quest, you are doing some part of the main storyline, you complete it, and it changes the overall story around you. You go and kill someone in a quest. Well story wise, you can only kill someone once, so when you group up, with others you all get credit.

Eve is different. Just about everyone you kill is immortal. You go and kill someone, they revive in a clone, and go back to doing whatever they did before. There is no need for you to share credit, because the target will just revive and need to be killed again. Sharing credit goes against the lore of EVE.

And don't use the "rose is rose" quote. You're misusing it.

Just because something is different than you are used to doesn't make it broken. Yes we have played those other games, We are now playing EVE not those other games. That should tell you that we prefer the eve way.

If I wanted EVE to be more like another game, I'd go play that other game.

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