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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#81 - 2012-06-28 19:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
chatgris wrote:

Say what you want about gallente vs caldari, but we're still
a) Capping your plexes
b) Living in the cal/gal warzone
c) Shooting you
d) Consider ourselves Gallente at heart, we're currently just working closely with our allies (and still wardecced on you all).


You forgot E..

e) leeching off the Minmatar & Goons hard work..

Big smile


X Gallentius wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
OK so we can all agree that Gallente no longer mater We are fighting Minmatar now.

You have forgotten about your Minmatar overlords who have moved into Eha. It's Amarr vs. Minmatar now.


Minmatar can't dock in Eha .. Blink
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#82 - 2012-06-28 19:04:55 UTC
Victoria Sefica wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Victoria Sefica wrote:
Judging from current occupancy figures I'd say that someone was arsed taking 'em system - namely, Caldaris.

Anyway, I'm sure you folks never wanted those systems nor navy megas/domis at t4 prices anyway Lol.
Oh, while we're at it - wanna buy a CNR? I'll give you a fair price cuz you make me laugh Blink


Hmm, lets see

Navy Megas? Hell no.

Navy Domis? Drones don't fare so well under gate guns.

I do however love my SFI's and TFI's at T4 prices though.


You can get SFI's and TFI's from Gallente LP Store nowdays??
Is this a feature introduced with Inferno 1.1? (sarcasm)


Yes, perhaps let the people who know what they're talking about continue to rant at each other?

.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#83 - 2012-06-28 19:11:59 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
lol the Caldari still haven't gotten it in their heads that the Gallente don't care about system occupancy?
They must teach classes on missing the obvious.



Wait you guys didn't care before you did care and now don't care again.. I'm getting confused.

Can you guys please make up your minds or does your care factor depend on if Caldari is AFK letting you take systems with no fighting? When it was easy, you guys cared about Sov, telling us you would kick us out of low sec and that you cared about plexing because "now" it matters. Now that we fought back you can't handle it and have gone back to the I don't care excuse.

It's just like watching null sec guys argue about ISK wars and Welp fleets. We can make it easy for you.. we can call it Welp War.. this way when ever you lose you can pretend you didn't care. Oh wait you're doing that already.. my bad.

Find one instance where I, Shadow Adanza, have ever cared about system occupancy.
Even now when I somewhat need isk I'm not plexing. I hate it. I'd rather run missions in high sec.
(Afking missions while playing Skyrim = AWESOME)
A lot of the Gallente are the same way. You have a select few that care about it and against the Caldari's superior numbers, there's not much they can do about it.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#84 - 2012-06-28 19:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Mutnin wrote:

e) leeching off the Minmatar & Goons hard work..

Big smile


Please :). Goons didn't do anything to help sov wise, they just blew up each others alts in high sec (then got their LP taken away).

If there's any changes that have me worried about the minnies holding their space it's that their NPC's were downgraded (a change I fully support by the way), as being in the gal/cal warzone I know the impact NPC's have on sov. (They're still better than amarr ones, but not as much as they were).
Victoria Sefica
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-06-28 19:51:27 UTC
Cat Casidy wrote:

Yes, perhaps let the people who know what they're talking about continue to rant at each other?


Not much to know here really: Caldaries winning, Gals being sore losers.
Why do you minnies even come to post here? It's not like you were Gal... Oh wait... Sore losers it is.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2012-06-28 19:56:24 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:
You do know we took 6 before 1 am eastern right?


In stealth bombers?

Well done bolster. It must have been glorious. Your legend will never expire lol.

Also, i assume that means end of US tz and beginning of au.

Either way, it was insane amounts of PvE, almost as much as the other 3 militias combined, that made it possible. Im very happy for you :) Finally something squids are good at lol.



Butthurt is soooo strong in this one ... loving it <3 Cool
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#87 - 2012-06-28 20:14:44 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
lol the Caldari still haven't gotten it in their heads that the Gallente don't care about system occupancy?
They must teach classes on missing the obvious.



Wait you guys didn't care before you did care and now don't care again.. I'm getting confused.

Can you guys please make up your minds or does your care factor depend on if Caldari is AFK letting you take systems with no fighting? When it was easy, you guys cared about Sov, telling us you would kick us out of low sec and that you cared about plexing because "now" it matters. Now that we fought back you can't handle it and have gone back to the I don't care excuse.

It's just like watching null sec guys argue about ISK wars and Welp fleets. We can make it easy for you.. we can call it Welp War.. this way when ever you lose you can pretend you didn't care. Oh wait you're doing that already.. my bad.

Find one instance where I, Shadow Adanza, have ever cared about system occupancy.
Even now when I somewhat need isk I'm not plexing. I hate it. I'd rather run missions in high sec.
(Afking missions while playing Skyrim = AWESOME)
A lot of the Gallente are the same way. You have a select few that care about it and against the Caldari's superior numbers, there's not much they can do about it.



You said " Gallente don't care about system occupancy" not that you your self didn't care but your Militia as a whole. When in fact your Militia did seem to care about system occupancy when it was easy.. Now they they have to fight for it, we are back to Gals not caring.. Attention
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#88 - 2012-06-28 20:17:30 UTC
Victoria Sefica wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:

Yes, perhaps let the people who know what they're talking about continue to rant at each other?


Not much to know here really: Caldaries winning, Gals being sore losers.
Why do you minnies even come to post here? It's not like you were Gal... Oh wait... Sore losers it is.


Im just stating that theres not a lot we can do since the war is being won by dozens of 3m isk frigates piloted by toons with 2 days of training. Its not butthurt to state a fact.

If im butthurt about anything its that CCP implemented this before making changes to the NPC's. Without those changes gallente have to use much more specialized fits at much greater cost and SP requirement to compete.

It was pretty obvious what was going to happen given these cards and if the roles were reversed id do the same.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#89 - 2012-06-28 20:20:44 UTC
The people who don't care about system occupancy are very shortsighted on the long term effects. It's all about WZ control. If you don't control the Warzone, then you can't get to various tiers... preferably Tier 3 or 4, if we're lucky.

Not having access to those tiers means alot of pilots (especially the new blood) will simply bail and leave militia and/or FW because they see no hope. Why offensive plex if you can't get to higher Tiers?. So lack of new blood means no fleets. No fleets means no pew.

Alot of the people who don't care tend to be vets who are either rich (make isk via other sources) or too apathetic to care about the next generation of militia pilots. Very sad...


High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#90 - 2012-06-28 20:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Victoria Sefica wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:

Yes, perhaps let the people who know what they're talking about continue to rant at each other?


Not much to know here really: Caldaries winning, Gals being sore losers.
Why do you minnies even come to post here? It's not like you were Gal... Oh wait... Sore losers it is.


Im just stating that theres not a lot we can do since the war is being won by dozens of 3m isk frigates piloted by toons with 2 days of training. Its not butthurt to state a fact.

If im butthurt about anything its that CCP implemented this before making changes to the NPC's. Without those changes gallente have to use much more specialized fits at much greater cost and SP requirement to compete.

It was pretty obvious what was going to happen given these cards and if the roles were reversed id do the same.


You guys keep going back to the war being won by 2m SP alts.. Meanwhile Caldari face the same thing with hoards of Minmatar noob alts contesting our systems. The difference is we defend as much as we can.. Sure we lose a system here and there but look how many have been danger close and not been captured because we put effort into defending.

The Sov war is not being won or lost by 2m SP pilots.. it's being won by defense. Personally I don't care about the Sov war either, but I care that the guys in my corp have access to ISK so we can PVP. I rarely ever run a offensive plex, but I do run quite a few defensive plexes.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#91 - 2012-06-28 20:57:39 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
lol the Caldari still haven't gotten it in their heads that the Gallente don't care about system occupancy?
They must teach classes on missing the obvious.



Wait you guys didn't care before you did care and now don't care again.. I'm getting confused.

Can you guys please make up your minds or does your care factor depend on if Caldari is AFK letting you take systems with no fighting? When it was easy, you guys cared about Sov, telling us you would kick us out of low sec and that you cared about plexing because "now" it matters. Now that we fought back you can't handle it and have gone back to the I don't care excuse.

It's just like watching null sec guys argue about ISK wars and Welp fleets. We can make it easy for you.. we can call it Welp War.. this way when ever you lose you can pretend you didn't care. Oh wait you're doing that already.. my bad.

Find one instance where I, Shadow Adanza, have ever cared about system occupancy.
Even now when I somewhat need isk I'm not plexing. I hate it. I'd rather run missions in high sec.
(Afking missions while playing Skyrim = AWESOME)
A lot of the Gallente are the same way. You have a select few that care about it and against the Caldari's superior numbers, there's not much they can do about it.



You said " Gallente don't care about system occupancy" not that you your self didn't care but your Militia as a whole. When in fact your Militia did seem to care about system occupancy when it was easy.. Now they they have to fight for it, we are back to Gals not caring.. Attention
Haha. It's been the same corps out plexing when we "cared" as now. Nothing's changed other than some guys getting LP for running sites. The majority of Gallente hasn't cared about plexing for the 4 or 5 months I've been here. When we "cared" it was 'guys, I'm bored and the caldari won't fight... let's go plex their system to make them mad'.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-06-28 21:02:33 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
The people who don't care about system occupancy are very shortsighted on the long term effects. It's all about WZ control. If you don't control the Warzone, then you can't get to various tiers... preferably Tier 3 or 4, if we're lucky.

Not having access to those tiers means alot of pilots (especially the new blood) will simply bail and leave militia and/or FW because they see no hope. Why offensive plex if you can't get to higher Tiers?. So lack of new blood means no fleets. No fleets means no pew.

Alot of the people who don't care tend to be vets who are either rich (make isk via other sources) or too apathetic to care about the next generation of militia pilots. Very sad...





THIS IS THE SINGLE BEST POST I HAVE EVER SEEN BY A GAL.


HE UNDDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#93 - 2012-06-28 21:06:38 UTC
Mutnin wrote:




The Sov war is not being won or lost by 2m SP pilots...

You're right. It's being won by pilots with a lot less SP than that. It takes about 2 days to get the skills to fit a Rifter, Merlin, or whatever with an afterburner and suitable fit for running Gallente/Amarr plexes.

Meanwhile, a 10m SP pilot can't even solo a Caldari Compound with a well fitted, specifically designed Incurses. (Though it does hold up in majors... odd as that is. Has to be the generic major, though.)

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#94 - 2012-06-28 21:28:12 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
The people who don't care about system occupancy are very shortsighted on the long term effects. It's all about WZ control. If you don't control the Warzone, then you can't get to various tiers... preferably Tier 3 or 4, if we're lucky.

Not having access to those tiers means alot of pilots (especially the new blood) will simply bail and leave militia and/or FW because they see no hope. Why offensive plex if you can't get to higher Tiers?. So lack of new blood means no fleets. No fleets means no pew.

Alot of the people who don't care tend to be vets who are either rich (make isk via other sources) or too apathetic to care about the next generation of militia pilots. Very sad...



Well, that's the thing right now, Deen. They can plex all they want right now but what plexing, system occupancy, and faction war as a whole has become is a numbers game. The Caldari have a much larger force. More members as a whole and more members willing to both offensive and defensive plex. Unless the Gallente have a massive influx of players who are willing to offensive AND defensive plex, it's nothing but a losing battle.

The deck is stacked in Caldari's favor both in terms of numbers and plex mechanics. Requiring a pair (or more) of newer Gallente plexers to run the bigger sites lessens the likelihood that they'll stay in one system and plex. Instead they'll take a minor and medium in their Incurses and then head to the next system. Because why bring someone else along and share that LP when you can get 10k and 20k LP per site alone and just hop systems? Thus, you don't have those long chains of plexes being run by one pilot as the Caldari have and thus, easier for the Caldari to defend the small increases in capture status.

I mean, I'm not even a plexer and I see how this works.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-06-28 21:31:09 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
The people who don't care about system occupancy are very shortsighted on the long term effects. It's all about WZ control. If you don't control the Warzone, then you can't get to various tiers... preferably Tier 3 or 4, if we're lucky.

Not having access to those tiers means alot of pilots (especially the new blood) will simply bail and leave militia and/or FW because they see no hope. Why offensive plex if you can't get to higher Tiers?. So lack of new blood means no fleets. No fleets means no pew.

Alot of the people who don't care tend to be vets who are either rich (make isk via other sources) or too apathetic to care about the next generation of militia pilots. Very sad...





THIS IS THE SINGLE BEST POST I HAVE EVER SEEN BY A GAL.


HE UNDDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just look at it from our perspective. Gallente have utterly failed at recruiting, while Caldari have had a huge influx of both farmers and competent PVP corps. Gallente have had virtually no new influx of new players. The Caldari are offensively plexing at twice the rate as any other Militia. That is a big deal.

There is no point in running defensive plexes unless there are no offensive plexes to run. FW is set up for both sides to constantly flip systems from each other and be rewarded from doing so. There is no reward to defensive plexing unless its the system you dock in. Caldari will continue to take systems faster than Gallente can.

Gallente will lose this sov war as it stands now and there isn't a damn thing we can do about. The best we can do is to try and hold Nisuwa and Nennamaila. Even that is questionable as the after downtime plex imbalance plex still exists which mean the Caldari can grind out an extra few plexs per day.

This is not news to anybody on the Gallente side. The only hope of "winning" is to pray CCP's "balance" feature will cause the bears to flip sides to grind Gallente LP once the Caldari LP market hits rock bottom and the Gallente LP items go sky high. The pendulum has swung towards the Caldari and let's see if it swings back towards Gallente.

.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#96 - 2012-06-28 21:32:22 UTC
LMAO!

3 years of FW and the mindsets are still exactly the same (including mine! Lol)......PvP vs PvE.

Meh...I could give 2 farts what tier we're at....or anyone else. Until we're forced to move back into hi-sec...we haven't lost anything.

But I will give credit where credit is due....that while I have from the get-go stated that I think these changes to FW are borked sideways...it still took effort on your (squid's) part to make this happen. GJ.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#97 - 2012-06-28 22:06:04 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Minmatar can't dock in Eha .. Blink

Waste of a good joke... meant Amarr overlords....
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#98 - 2012-06-28 23:12:02 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Using Final Blows as a metric: http://api.eve-online.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx
FW kills last week:

Caldari - 1,385
QCATS + Gallente: 1,431 (258 + 1,173)
uhmm, your not in gallente...

You can consider yourself a special little snowflake , doesn't make you one.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#99 - 2012-06-28 23:13:35 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
lol the Caldari still haven't gotten it in their heads that the Gallente don't care about system occupancy?
They must teach classes on missing the obvious.


'Cause you dont care gallente is losing doesn't mean you are not.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#100 - 2012-06-28 23:16:36 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Wait you guys didn't care before you did care and now don't care again.. I'm getting confused.
It's easy. Some of us (like me) care. Some of us don't.

Can't do much about massive infestation of farmers tipping the scales in favor of Caldari, so we have adjusted expectations and still have fun killing stuff.
So how is it we are managing to cope with the hordes of Minmatr farmers, some of who happen to be excellent PvP players as well? As least the cal farmers are unarmed. Nice job killing noobs btw. You iz manly man yes yes...pffft..