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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-06-27 20:40:46 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Glasses you might need when you get old, but I think it's a scam.


Eyes are focused by muscles. If you deny that with aid devices, muscles atrophy. Imagine what would happen to your legs if you decided to use a wheelchair.

But when you "start them young", and therefore make them dependent on glasses, you have people who will spend an entire life needing - and paying a lot of money for - glasses and contacts.

There are a lot of mass-produced consumer goods out there that are cheap because of it. For example, a power supply for an electronics workbench is pricey, but you can mod a computer power supply to do the job. But computer power supplies are much cheaper. There are many more computers with power supplies than workbench power supplies.

So why are lenses and frames still so pricey?


Because you NEED them.

So when they stick a kid with glasses, they got a new sucker hooked for life.


When I was 16 I had 20/30 vision and they tried to stick me with glasses. I knew then, being a powerlifter, how muscles worked and that the eyes are focused by them. Glasses would make things worse. So looked at my habits and noted that having my nose in books and magazines a lot and not getting out much would make my far vision diminish. So I changed that.

Some years later the military tried to stick me with glasses for 20/30. No deal and I got the drill sergeant onboard with that ruse and I didn't have to wear them and never wore glasses. I did not though that with long schedules and night school while in the armed forces my nighttime vision was blurry and used the glasses occasionally.

So I countered that by getting out more in the daytime and finding nice stuff outdoors to actually look at. By the late 90s I never wore glasses.

Starting around that time I started to work in offices, with occasional jobs outdoors, but I know the importance of an "eye break". I spend a lot of time at computers. I do two things:

1. Use the smallest resolution and text possible.
2. have stuff on the farthest walls to look at - put your clock, whiteboard, and calendar there.

My vision is 20/20 now, and has been since around 1999.

So if you are being a basement dwelling neckbeard wtih your nose up to that screen for the pron, and then your vision starts to go south, think first before you go to a permanent crutch for your vision that will make you dependent on said crutch for the rest of your life.

And part of the great scam is that years later guess what you will need? That's right, a new prescription.

I don't expect anybody to agree with this. I think even if I managed to get suckered in life, spent a lifetime needing glasses and paying bucks for them, and now being dependent on them, if someone told me what I just posted I would have to call that person a nutjob in order to avoid the rage I would feel about having my life changed and being tricked into blindness like that for an industry that gets rich off of it.

So just take my post as a personal experience and tell yourself that you didn't get hoodwinked and made half-blind and dependent by the medical industrial complex. Nothing so see here, all is calm, move along.

Just remember that there is no other species on this planet that ever needed glasses and it's' not normal to "need" them.



I have degenerative myopia, which means that my eyeballs are not spherical but look like a football. They are so misshaped that some years ago my left retina began lacking oxygen, and fixed it through an unnatural growth of new blood vessels, microscopical in size, until one of them broke. Blood leaked through it and a little piece of my retina was detached from the lower layers and i woke up one sunny day seeing all twisted around by a macular haemorrhage. Several months later I was treated with laser surgery to burn out the extra blood vessels, but by then 15% of my left eye's macula was already dead. I had two blind spots in my left eye for almost a year, until my brain learned to ignore the dead, blind macular tissue.

Do you know how big is the macula? It's roughly the size of the asterisk sign on your keyboard, and it provides 90% of your eyesight. A dent in it the size of a dot in your keyboard leaves a visible scar and makes a whole difference in your peception of reality; as always since that haemorrhage, the world I see is darker than it used to be when I was younger.


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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#22 - 2012-06-28 00:03:49 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

I had to give up on trying contact lenses, after the third appointment at the opticians trying to get it in (an hour each time) I got an eye infection. Not pleasant, eye was closed by swelling and it took half an hour in the shower to get the caked off puss off so I could open my eye after it burst in my sleep....

Yeah, I've had one tear and it hurts like a sonofgun. However, you really aren't supposed to sleep in them, even with the extended wear lenses.

Personally, I prefer disposables so I don't have to worry about cleaning them. Every time you put a fresh pair in (they're super clean) you get a lite version of "OMG! Everything is so clear!" feeling, which makes for a good way to start the day.


To clarify, I did not wear them when asleep. To get them from my opticians, you have to prove you can get them in and out before they start selling them, its here I failed and had to get the pretty lass to get it out of my eyes Oops

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-06-28 00:29:43 UTC
One of the downsides is that shades are hidiously expensive.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#24 - 2012-06-28 02:44:04 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Glasses you might need when you get old, but I think it's a scam.


Eyes are focused by muscles. If you deny that with aid devices, muscles atrophy. Imagine what would happen to your legs if you decided to use a wheelchair.

But when you "start them young", and therefore make them dependent on glasses, you have people who will spend an entire life needing - and paying a lot of money for - glasses and contacts.

Jesus dude, only one picture can sum up your post.

Had glasses for some years (from about the age of 11 to 16), went to contacts from 16-19, then no glases at all from 19-23.
Just got glasses again a few months ago, and **** me sideways I realised I was basically blind without them

Take a piece of saran wrap, cover it in about a half-inch of vaseline, hold it in front of your eyes, that's my unassisted vision right there. My vision starts going blurry when objects get 7-8 inches away and gets worse the further away it is, regular printed text become unreadable at a distance of about 18 inches

It's nothing to do with muscle atrophy or whatever other crazy theory you pull out your arse, my vision got significantly worse during the four years with no glasses, not better. Typically long/short sightedness is caused by having a short/long eyeball. No amount of practice is going to force your eye to change shape.

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Like the poster above me, I'm very interested in laser surgery, if any EVE player has had this procedure some feedback would be great

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-06-28 03:11:19 UTC
I wear contacts and have been considering Lasik but after I watched a video of the procedure I'm too much of a pussy.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-28 03:16:29 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
I wear contacts and have been considering Lasik but after I watched a video of the procedure I'm too much of a pussy.


PRK custom is way better than lasik in terms of results.... no glare at night and more precise.

The downside is that instead of just cutting a flap in the lens they dissolve it with acid which results in a month long healing time with the light sensitivity of a vampire (not the sparkly ones, you'd have an aneurysm)

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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#27 - 2012-06-28 03:54:22 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
I wear contacts and have been considering Lasik but after I watched a video of the procedure I'm too much of a pussy.


PRK custom is way better than lasik in terms of results.... no glare at night and more precise.

The downside is that instead of just cutting a flap in the lens they dissolve it with acid which results in a month long healing time with the light sensitivity of a vampire (not the sparkly ones, you'd have an aneurysm)

What about the one where they surgically implant lenses in your eye? Heard much about that?

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#28 - 2012-06-28 03:59:38 UTC
Whats kind of great about my case is that I have almost an identical prescription to that of my father. There's been a few cases where I've gone to his house and realize that I left my pair of glasses at home so I end up borrowing his 1970's Detective/creeper rims that he's kept around for some 40 years. All I need is a trench coat and a mustache and I can play Gordon from Batman

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-06-28 05:52:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
I wear contacts and have been considering Lasik but after I watched a video of the procedure I'm too much of a pussy.


PRK custom is way better than lasik in terms of results.... no glare at night and more precise.

The downside is that instead of just cutting a flap in the lens they dissolve it with acid which results in a month long healing time with the light sensitivity of a vampire (not the sparkly ones, you'd have an aneurysm)


Okay maybe I wasn't clear how much of a pussy I am but it pretty much precludes anything involving cutting into, firing lasers at, or dripping acid onto my eyeball.
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#30 - 2012-06-28 08:32:39 UTC
Old age sucks!!! I'm starting to have to read things from far away now. Pain in the ass when trying to read a book. Ugh

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#31 - 2012-06-28 09:50:45 UTC
I was 52/20, after laser surgery; 20/12.

When I look up at an aeroplane now, not only can I see it, I can see what they're serving in 1st class.

The surgery doesn't hurt, but gettin used to not straining is very strange.

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Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
#32 - 2012-06-28 10:55:06 UTC
Since no one seems to have addressed this;
Alara IonStorm wrote:
How do you get over the...

HOLY **** ITS TOUCHING MY ******* EYEBALL MAKE IT STOP, AHHHHHHHH!!!!

Because I am going to be honest, I don't let many things touch my eye and it is a matter of quite some concern to me.
Heh, pretty much what I thought when I went to the optician and found out I needed glasses/contacts.

My optician simply told me this: "when you're watching the telly or whatever in the evening, gently touch your eyeballs with your fingertip every now and then (make sure your hands are clean first!)". It was supposed to lower the squick factor and also retrain the blink reflex so the eyelids wouldn't send the contacts flying whenever I tried to put them in.
You probably shouldn't try this without your own optician telling you to though. Don't want to be held responsible if you blind yourself...

Anyway, after mustering the courage to follow his instructions I quickly found that it worked; it didn't take long at all before I could poke my eyeball like it was nothing. Trust me, it's easier than it seems. Btw, the blink reflex still works fine for everything but my fingers/contacts, it's just a bit more clever now.


About lasers, I've seriously been considering getting my eyes done for a while now. My uncorrected eyesight is pretty good (better than many people seem to see with glasses which terrifies me to no end while I'm driving, but I digress...), but since I got hooked on contacts (Herzog called it) my mild myopia and astigmatism drives me crazy.
Not too keen on LASIK, but I can definitely see myself getting a LASEK treatment. Takes a while to heal, but it still looks like the better option by far.

Too bad there are no such eye clinics nearby. Being a rather lazy sort, it would be pretty tedious to go to one for the pew pew and following checkups.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-28 17:17:45 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
I wear contacts and have been considering Lasik but after I watched a video of the procedure I'm too much of a pussy.


PRK custom is way better than lasik in terms of results.... no glare at night and more precise.

The downside is that instead of just cutting a flap in the lens they dissolve it with acid which results in a month long healing time with the light sensitivity of a vampire (not the sparkly ones, you'd have an aneurysm)


Okay maybe I wasn't clear how much of a pussy I am but it pretty much precludes anything involving cutting into, firing lasers at, or dripping acid onto my eyeball.


They numb it first! you don't feel a thing, the only sensation is a rapid pulsing you feel on the eye and the smell of your eye cooking

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Alara IonStorm
#34 - 2012-06-28 17:32:29 UTC
I hate all of you forever.

Nothing is touching, tearing while in, suppressing pain reflex's, breaking blood vessels, pus filled infections, burning with lasers, surgically implanting things into, melting with acid, poking my, smelling it cooking: Anything to my with my eyeballs you sickos. This thread was supposed to be about how great being able to see again was but now it is just a sick B-Rated Horror Movie full of Eye Screams.

/Grabs popcorn. I love this forum and hate you all for reasons unrelated to your posts.

Carry on.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#35 - 2012-06-28 17:32:46 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
I wear contacts and have been considering Lasik but after I watched a video of the procedure I'm too much of a pussy.


PRK custom is way better than lasik in terms of results.... no glare at night and more precise.

The downside is that instead of just cutting a flap in the lens they dissolve it with acid which results in a month long healing time with the light sensitivity of a vampire (not the sparkly ones, you'd have an aneurysm)


Okay maybe I wasn't clear how much of a pussy I am but it pretty much precludes anything involving cutting into, firing lasers at, or dripping acid onto my eyeball.


They numb it first! you don't feel a thing, the only sensation is a rapid pulsing you feel on the eye and the smell of your eye cooking



Don't worry, I'm sure the nurse will word it in a much more science friendly way that won't leave you waking up in the dead of night in a cold sweat screaming.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#36 - 2012-06-28 19:53:30 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I hate all of you forever.

Nothing is touching, tearing while in, suppressing pain reflex's, breaking blood vessels, pus filled infections, burning with lasers, surgically implanting things into, melting with acid, poking my, smelling it cooking: Anything to my with my eyeballs you sickos. This thread was supposed to be about how great being able to see again was but now it is just a sick B-Rated Horror Movie full of Eye Screams.

/Grabs popcorn. I love this forum and hate you all for reasons unrelated to your posts.

Carry on.


I can start on the habit of keeping you glasses clean, too, with details about how oily eyelashes spread the skin oils from the eyebrows all over the lenses until there is a sort of oily mist on them, stories about the funny stuff that exits the edge between the lenses and the frame when you clean it with a toothpick and stories about screws corroded by sweat.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#37 - 2012-06-28 20:46:00 UTC
putting something in my eye seemed a lot easier than showing up in middle school with glasses one day. they tried to stick glasses on me earlier but I could see well enough I wouldn't wear them. might be time to start thinking about going under the laser soon™

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-06-28 21:28:10 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
putting something in my eye seemed a lot easier than showing up in middle school with glasses one day. they tried to stick glasses on me earlier but I could see well enough I wouldn't wear them. might be time to start thinking about going under the laser soon™


Do PRK custom, for the days when your lenses have to grow back you have goldfish vision. It's like a wide angle lens where objects are waaaaaaay closer than they appear Shocked

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#39 - 2012-06-28 22:15:56 UTC
IMXHO, corneas are not conceived to heal themselves, and whenever you force them to do so, they're going to age too soon with likely bad consequences.

How will behave a 50 year old PRK cornea? We don't know, but as far as our experience goes, growing back after being hit by a laser is not somehting that would happen too often in nature. They CAN heal, but, to what long term cost? "Unknown" is the only realistic word for it.

Admitedly, the prospect of blindness caused by long term consequences of laser srugery didn't appealed me back when my eyes still where suit for correction surgery...

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-06-28 22:27:02 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
IMXHO, corneas are not conceived to heal themselves, and whenever you force them to do so, they're going to age too soon with likely bad consequences.

How will behave a 50 year old PRK cornea? We don't know, but as far as our experience goes, growing back after being hit by a laser is not somehting that would happen too often in nature. They CAN heal, but, to what long term cost? "Unknown" is the only realistic word for it.

Admitedly, the prospect of blindness caused by long term consequences of laser srugery didn't appealed me back when my eyes still where suit for correction surgery...


A hell of a lot better than a lasik one, lasik reshapes the entire thing, PRK is custom and make pinpoint adjustments to the right spots to get the light to focus where it needs to

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