EVE General Discussion

More than in 2010. Worth much less post Inferno than pre.

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You cannot wage war against a person (via mechanics). If you war dec a corp, and a person leaves that corp, that's a win for your side. The other corp now has less resources. The point of War is to defeat your enemy.

So that brings us to the real problem, the heart of the matter;

The goal of real wars is not to grief people, it is redistribution of wealth. In a real war, when you shut off the supply lines and make the enemy resign sovereignty, you have won. You may take the spoils.

If you are declaring wars for "targets", your strategy is silly. There is an inexhaustible supply of targets in this game .4 and lower. If you war has no strategy and no spoils to take other than tears, then don't be surprised when you are the one crying.

That's a very good point. I think you could make a case for booting someone being free; this would also be a nod to purely carebear corps. However, if we continue with the "pay for targets" paradigm any future war payments should be retroactively reduced (kick ten dudes, get next week's war costs at 10 dudes + 10 dudes cheaper, then any subsequent weeks are 10 dudes cheaper).

Also, anyone booted during a war should have a mark on their corp history as well.

The point being, there should always be some sort of penalty for leaving a war.

The caveat of course being that you can only pull that trick on C.E.O.'s not smart enough to use EveWho or a killboard, which pretty much puts you in the situation where your "targets" are going to leave corp first, then the game.

I have read over and over how this makes eve better than other games by thinning the herd and all those bullshit excuses. And the same people who claim "darwinism" are the same ones who say MMO's with 10x as many players are "garbage".

The proof is in the puddin'.

Eve wars are corp against corp the system is there for that to happen. The wardec system allows you to shoot anybody in that corp, that is the mechanic (and yes they can shoot you back if they want). What you want is more than that, you want a mandatory gank rights on people in high-sec regardless of their corp just because you paid a fee.

Now, if you dig back through the dev blogs you will find a bit about how they are looking to implement a tracking system to follow people that run from a war. I'm not really sure what good that will do as non-combat types are going to drop no matter what.

Now I will admit that if I were in your shoes it would suck to have to keep kicking over rocks only to have all the bugs run away before I could squash them with my boot, but this is the way the game mechanics work. I wonder why all the folks that complain about this endlessly in the forums don't go to war with each other? Why don't they travel the 85% (79% if you don't count WH space) of the systems that are not under direct CONCORD protection for their kills and save the 50million isk+ wardec/rock kicking fee? Are the rocks too big or do the bugs bite back?

...And we're back! Tonight's top story, "Trouble In New Eden?"

Yes, it would appear that after CCP's recent patch remove NPC corps, thousands of highsec "PVP'rs" took it upon themselves to war-dec every freighter pilot in the game. Know for their incredibly slow align times as well as terribly boring game play , these poor citizens have seemed to replace miners as the lowest members on New Eden's food chain. And while proponents of the change agree that their newest "Tear Faucet" is unarguably the best in the universe, market analysts everywhere are urging for restraint so that the resulting economic failscade doesn't destroy the game.

In fact, renown economic advisers "****, Fiddle and Sons" published their report just hours ago - revealing the startling truth...

"All trade volume throughout the systems has decreased 99.7% percent, with Jita remaining the sole system with any profit to be made"

Dire news indeed, isn't it Jack?

It sure sounds like it Susie, but before we all biomass ourselves for letting this idiotic change through, it's time for your Space Channel 5 Weather on the Nine's...

The thing stated above is fine. Corp Hopping to avoid War Decks, IE Being in -A- as you approach high sec, then dropping corp, traveling thru high sec, then rejoining -A- as you re-enter Null, is I believe already an official exploit.

If you see someone do it, report it via petition. The culprit should get a warning
See him do it again, report it again. I'm almost certain the culprit will enjoy a little involuntary time away from the game.
See him do it again, report it again, who knows, but it ain't gonna be good for the culprit, for sure.

You can't expect the GM's to support it if you don't report it. They have no basis to move on.

Remember, whatever option you suggest must take into account mutual wars or groups like red vs blue. People often drop corp in RvB to earn money without worrying about 3rd party wartargets. If you force such players to pay some cost, it greatly impacts them. If you also base the cost on the war Dec costs, people would grief RvB by.declaring war in the hopes of driving people bankrupt by leaving.

In other words, try to create a system that is balanced for all, not that just deals with your specific war.

You don't have to look down on people sporting an elitist smug, talking about how big and bad you are because you "live in null". I've lived in Catch. And in Vale of the Silent. And in Fountain, and in Syndicate. And to be honest, living there is safer than High and Low sec (with the possible exception of Syndicate :D).

Going to "null" is not precisely rising the level of my play. Lagfests with 300 other dudes where you point your mandatory fit Drake/AHAC/Hellcat/whatever to what you´re told, press F1 and wait to see if you happen to be alpha'd is not the pinnacle of PvPing, and after having lived as a pet for the now defunct Majesta Empire, I decided that there was little to none to be learned in there and moved to greener pastures.

I would truly SURPRISE you how little a newbie pilot benefits from large alliances playstyle when it comes to brawling. Small gang PvP and ganks is where the fun seems to be and where the best pilots are found, both in null and in High Sec.

Also, no, I am not scared to go to null. In fact, most of my pathetically low number of kills are null sec ganks and I would like it to continue this way.

Besides, I find it pretty stupid and contradictory that big alliances ask small PvP setups to "come to null". I don't HAVE to go to null, dammit: you are COMING to High sec and avoiding fights using exploits.

And, even more baffling: unless I go to "null" (meaning I have to go deep into their home regions where I won't be able to dock or do anything without extensive logistics support) I am a coward. But if I stay and fight where numbers are not a factor, then I am a seal baby clubber.

One just can't win these sort of arguments, as logic seems to be completely unrelated to the mental processes of some people.

I didn't realise that leaving the corp you're in voluntarily was an exploit. Silly me!

The goons and goon alts flooding this topic with "well make your own 9000 man alliance" and "come to 0.0 to defend yourself against the war we declared against you" is a bit bloody tiring.

You got your three hundred thousand dollar protection from CCP, you can drop the spamming and PR.