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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#141 - 2012-06-28 13:29:15 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


An afk ship cannot shut down an entire system. They cannot do ANYTHING. If you shut your own system down because of an AFK player then you're an idiot and have only yourself to blame. There is nothing "gamebreaking" about a cloaked AFK player. Know what IS game breaking? Probes that scan out cloaked ships - you claim you see no reason why a cloaked ship can't be scanned out... um, how about the fact that it's a cloaked ship. The entire purpose of them is to avoid detection. Introducing mechanics that undermine multiple ship classes for the sake of crybaby miners is gamebreaking. HTFU or go back to hisec.


Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.


I can dig that.

Tech 3 probe launchers maybe?
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#142 - 2012-06-28 13:34:51 UTC
Posting in a thread meant as "Local is a bad idea".

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#143 - 2012-06-28 13:38:38 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


An afk ship cannot shut down an entire system. They cannot do ANYTHING. If you shut your own system down because of an AFK player then you're an idiot and have only yourself to blame. There is nothing "gamebreaking" about a cloaked AFK player. Know what IS game breaking? Probes that scan out cloaked ships - you claim you see no reason why a cloaked ship can't be scanned out... um, how about the fact that it's a cloaked ship. The entire purpose of them is to avoid detection. Introducing mechanics that undermine multiple ship classes for the sake of crybaby miners is gamebreaking. HTFU or go back to hisec.


Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.


You shouldn't be able to find cloaked ships because they are cloaked ships. Their role is that of an undetectable ship. I know that the cloaky neutral in local makes you cry and cry and cry, but you just have to wipe away the tears and deal with it. The mechanic is not broken, you are broken. Psychologically. A player that isn't even there did that to you, haha.

Poor nullbears.
Adolfus Shakor
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-06-28 13:51:26 UTC
The solution is at hand! CCP has given us the 'Ancillary Shield Booster' All they need to do is take the cloaking device and make these fuelled by cap boosters too. If the cap boosters run out the player has a limited time to manually reload the cloaking device whilst it devours their ships cap. If they are AFK they will cap out and de-cloak.

Thank you, thank you... Donations and praise will be gratefully accepted.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#145 - 2012-06-28 13:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Jenn aSide wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


An afk ship cannot shut down an entire system. They cannot do ANYTHING. If you shut your own system down because of an AFK player then you're an idiot and have only yourself to blame. There is nothing "gamebreaking" about a cloaked AFK player. Know what IS game breaking? Probes that scan out cloaked ships - you claim you see no reason why a cloaked ship can't be scanned out... um, how about the fact that it's a cloaked ship. The entire purpose of them is to avoid detection. Introducing mechanics that undermine multiple ship classes for the sake of crybaby miners is gamebreaking. HTFU or go back to hisec.


Probing out a cloaked ship does not undermine the mechanic.
The entire series of ships you are talking about can do something no other ships in game can do.
That is warp and maintain the cloak, that is the mechanic that should not be broke.

Not the I can sit cloaked in system all day while I play WoT.
Nobody is asking for (well if they are forget it) for existing probes to be able to find cloaked ships in a few minutes.
It is about finding cloaked ships with some effort and time and expense.

And no, fuel for cloaks is out as well cause that goes to far.
The expense should be on the hunter of cloaked ships not the cloaky.

And yes the mechanic is broken cause it should be possible.


I can dig that.

Tech 3 probe launchers maybe?



No just limit them to Covert Op's ships only, that means the Covert-Ops frigates and the T3 Cruiser with the right sub system.
And I don't believe there needs to be a new skill just level 5 across the board with the appropriate skills.

I am not about making this easy, just possible and to put some PvP back in the game.
Which probably means a lot of people won't bother but then they have a choice at that point.
Kick the person out by probing them out and killing them or by making the cloaky stay at the keyboard (semi at the keyboard).
Either way there is an option and something better then the options that are available right now.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#146 - 2012-06-28 21:24:00 UTC
Cloaking is already penalized because you can't do anything while cloaked. Now people are suggesting to stack more penalties on top of that.

Limited time on cloaking devices? You have to be on bath salts or something.

Here is my suggestion. Everytime you dock up in station, you get a limited amounted of time to stay docked. After a certain while it starts to charge you isk for taking up a docking port. If you don't pay, it spits you out into space.....Yea, that is about as stupid as your cloaking ideas, you damn babies.

if he is in system with you, move to the next system. If he follows you, he isn't afk. If he doesn't, he is afk and can't hurt you. Jesus H. Christ I am smart.

No trolling please
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#147 - 2012-06-28 23:11:01 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Cloaking is already penalized because you can't do anything while cloaked. Now people are suggesting to stack more penalties on top of that.

Limited time on cloaking devices? You have to be on bath salts or something.

Here is my suggestion. Everytime you dock up in station, you get a limited amounted of time to stay docked. After a certain while it starts to charge you isk for taking up a docking port. If you don't pay, it spits you out into space.....Yea, that is about as stupid as your cloaking ideas, you damn babies.

if he is in system with you, move to the next system. If he follows you, he isn't afk. If he doesn't, he is afk and can't hurt you. Jesus H. Christ I am smart.


There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.
Pipa Porto
#148 - 2012-06-28 23:14:29 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Cloaking is already penalized because you can't do anything while cloaked. Now people are suggesting to stack more penalties on top of that.

Limited time on cloaking devices? You have to be on bath salts or something.

Here is my suggestion. Everytime you dock up in station, you get a limited amounted of time to stay docked. After a certain while it starts to charge you isk for taking up a docking port. If you don't pay, it spits you out into space.....Yea, that is about as stupid as your cloaking ideas, you damn babies.

if he is in system with you, move to the next system. If he follows you, he isn't afk. If he doesn't, he is afk and can't hurt you. Jesus H. Christ I am smart.


There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.


It might be our fault. We do keep telling them to go to Null when they whinge about Suicide Ganks.

Just wait till one gets AWOXed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#149 - 2012-06-28 23:18:04 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.


Stop, logic is not allowed on the forums.

John Hancock
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#150 - 2012-06-29 16:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Cloaking is already penalized because you can't do anything while cloaked. Now people are suggesting to stack more penalties on top of that.

Limited time on cloaking devices? You have to be on bath salts or something.

Here is my suggestion. Everytime you dock up in station, you get a limited amounted of time to stay docked. After a certain while it starts to charge you isk for taking up a docking port. If you don't pay, it spits you out into space.....Yea, that is about as stupid as your cloaking ideas, you damn babies.

if he is in system with you, move to the next system. If he follows you, he isn't afk. If he doesn't, he is afk and can't hurt you. Jesus H. Christ I am smart.


There's just no reasoning with the baby nullbears. I honestly don't know why they even attempt to live in nullsec if they're this scared and risk-averse.


The main problem is that the nulbears are not really only after AFK cloakers, its the 'active' cloakers they want to be able to find too. Thats why they blatantly ignore solutions that will make AFK cloaking not possible but still maintain the usefullness of the cloak. (Remove cloaked ships from local)

And the next person that suggests a probe that can see cloaked.... when will you get it in your thick heads.... that BREAKS WORMHOLES!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#151 - 2012-06-29 21:06:39 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.



so what if someone is afk cloaking... move on

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-06-29 22:09:04 UTC
Cloaked ships aren't a threat. Whether the player owning the cloaked ship is AFK or not, he's no direct threat. The moment he uncloaks, you should start concidering him a threat. Cloaked ships are no more dangerous to your corp/alliance than the dozen spies they might as well have been infiltrated by.

I usually go by the simple rule: "If it doesn't show on D-Scan, it can't kill me". Because it's true. I've never seen anyone lose a ship to a cloaked ship. I've seen ships die to cloaked ships that uncloaked on-grid and cloaked again after the killing, but never have I seen a ship die to a target that was cloaked all the time. Thus, Cloaked ships pose no threat.

Wow... That's a lot of times I say the same thing over and over... Almost as if I expect the average EVE-player to be a goldfish... huh...

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Yaaar's Revenge
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#153 - 2012-06-30 01:51:35 UTC
My god.......the stupid......IT BURNS!!!!!

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AFK Cloaker
Matari Exodus
#154 - 2012-06-30 02:10:26 UTC
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