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AFK Cloaking is botting.
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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-06-27 13:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
TheGunslinger42 wrote:

So you want a mechanic to kill AFK players... but only afk players who aren't you (as the cloakies can't kill you when you're AFK sitting in your hulk at your pos, or docked in a station).

Nah, sorry mate.


Then log off if you are going AFK, keep in mind I did say 20 minutes.
Why do you need to stay logged on if you aren't at your computer for 20 minutes ?
And as you stated if you are AFK you can just go to a POS or station.

What valid reason do you need to be AFK and logged on ?
With the mechanics I was talking about you could be AFK for 18 minutes and still have zero Issues.
So explain to me why you have to be 100 % safe in space in Null ?
You don't even get that being in a POS.
You could be gone for an hour and someone could come through and kill that POS and you end up in Station.
Cloaked in a system, 100 % safe, at worst you could get logged off that is it.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2012-06-27 13:39:01 UTC
I just got a stealth bomber alt. I'm going to go afk cloak somewhere !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-06-27 13:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I just got a stealth bomber alt. I'm going to go afk cloak somewhere !


Everyone has done it from time to time.

The only thrill is getting in and out of system at times.
The rest of the time it is worse then mining (it is just no fun at least if they are hunting you it makes it interesting)

Basically log on character on spare account.
Log on another account and do whatever and glance over there every now and again if ever as most people just minimize it.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2012-06-27 13:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
*snip*

I´ve fixed your post for you.
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ISD Dosnix

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#65 - 2012-06-27 13:48:08 UTC
Afk cloaking is no more botting than traveling using the in-game autopilot. It requires a person to activate it and will do its thing until you tell it otherwise.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-06-27 14:12:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I just got a stealth bomber alt. I'm going to go afk cloak somewhere !


ENJOY YOUR BAN

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-06-27 14:14:59 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


To get to it, you logged in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence within the gaming universe affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being logged in through your computer is you playing the game. Since you are logged in and most of the time I am not, you and your computer alter gameplay without my actual presence.

Disgusted, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had time to get stuff first.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#68 - 2012-06-27 14:31:32 UTC
Confirming that no one has ever died due to an AFK cloaker.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#69 - 2012-06-27 14:32:12 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Confirming that no one has ever died due to an AFK cloaker.

Well... maybe of boredom. Or panic.


But certainly not in game.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#70 - 2012-06-27 14:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
*snip*

Fixed your off-topic content

ISD Dosnix

Seriously? Off-topic?

What I said:

"BRB guys I gotta go pee.

*banned for botting*"

That was NOT off topic. It was making a very valid point in a light-hearted manner.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#71 - 2012-06-27 15:26:52 UTC
AFK cloaking is only a "problem" because local exists.

I have yet to collect a single killmail while being AFK though.

I have yet to collect a single killmail while being cloaked, also.
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-06-27 15:31:47 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


Show us where the AFK cloaker touched you on the Nullbear doll.

Bring your possibles.
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-06-27 16:29:05 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
I still believe there should be some method to scan down a cloaked ship.
Granted it should take a very long time for actual cloaky ships and less for say a drake with a cloak but both should be scannable with enough time.

I am talking 20 minutes.

One probe to find a player and put you on the same grid. (random 100 ~ 200km distance from them)
Another probe that can find a player with a slow moving probe that basically explodes and decloaks them.
Wrath of Khan "The thing has to have a tail pipe"
PS - can only use a covert OPS to find the cloaky ship.


IF someone is truly AFK they can be found. if not well the chances would be almost 0.


A lot of things would probably work a lot better if it took >20 mins to scan down ANY ship, like long-range engagements and sales of +optimal ammunition for guns other than blasters. And sales of cloaky ships that could be used to get a warp-in on distant fleets since you can't just have someone probe you to it (also, should only be able to warp to something that *isn't* cloaked, IMO).

Also,

Undiscovered Country

that is all.
Equimanthorn
RONA Corporation
#74 - 2012-06-27 16:31:06 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


I think the only way to solve your problem is to remove local.
Cessarya Secheh
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-06-27 16:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.



*snip*



At least miners complain because they actually get exploded. You're whining due to absolutely nothing happening to you.

CCP to remove afk cloaking because random and spontaneous pvp might happen!

Bad content (personal attack) fixed for you!
ISD Dosnix
Boober Fraggle
#76 - 2012-06-27 16:40:15 UTC
You want care bear day care? Because if you are hanging out in a system with 1 person, you are a carebear.

What about at keyboard cloaking for 8-10 hours? Thats a brilliant tactic and has netted me kills.

Oh wait, then someone starts a thread about how bad alts are.

In order to not "ruin eve" I have to be at keyboard and cloaked for no more than 10 minutes, and not be playing an alt.

I'll remember that while you cry and I cloak...
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#77 - 2012-06-27 16:42:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Edit: I totally misunderstood... blah I'm off my game today
Ohanka
#78 - 2012-06-27 16:45:25 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Another ALT

North Korea is Best Korea
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2012-06-27 17:06:36 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Another ALT

AFK cloaking is the new ice interdiction.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#80 - 2012-06-27 17:10:26 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Another ALT

I'm confused, who am I supposed to be an alt of? Especially based on that comment?