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Time to make cargo scanners unusable in Highsec
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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#101 - 2012-06-27 07:40:14 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
How about... No!


Not empty quoting.


Indeed not.

That being said, when does the smuggling come into the game finally, after about 10 years it's about time.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#102 - 2012-06-27 07:58:33 UTC
Untanked haulers or unescorted freighters with a few billion in cargo are a valid target for suicide ganks
Either tank your hauler, use a scout to check those bottle necks , use alternative routes never fly autopilot with valuable cargo or make several trips
A transport can have a great tank and able to use the mwd cloak trickwhile stll having a 25 k+ cargo
But whinning about losing a valuable ship and cargo because you though you are safe you will only get yourself ridiculed and laughed at

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2012-06-27 08:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Tippia wrote:
Because bombs are area-of-effect weaponry, which are largely banned from highsec, whereas cargo scanners have a number of legitimate uses to… well… everyone, really.
Oh? Is that so? Well, then I’m sure you won’t have trouble naming any.

Pak Narhoo wrote:
Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies:
- High sec isn't supposed to be safe.
“High[ly] secure space” ≠ safe

Yup, sure, that doesn’t sound completely silly or anything. Right on, bro.
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-06-27 16:07:05 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies:
- High sec isn't supposed to be safe.
“High[ly] secure space” ≠ safe

Yup, sure, that doesn’t sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro.

Oh good, it was about time somebody flogged that dead horse some more.

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Price Check Aisle3
#105 - 2012-06-27 16:16:12 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
“High[ly] secure space” ≠ safe

Yup, sure, that doesn’t sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro.

NO MAOR GRIEVFING IN HIGHSEC CPP!!! I DON WANTO PVP ANYMOR!!!
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Flakey Foont
#106 - 2012-06-27 16:17:18 UTC
Go sailing off the coast of Somalia.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#107 - 2012-06-27 16:20:40 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Notsureiftroll ShockedRoll


troll nope, encouraging debate? yep :)
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#108 - 2012-06-27 16:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Blastcaps Madullier
InternetSpaceship wrote:
reamau wrote:
[quote]

I have no problem with "hi-sec isn't safe", but I'd like kill rights for a month on every pilot that looted my wreck as well.



You know, that actually does seem reasonable, aside from the looter part. Some day old rookie is just as likely to loot your wreck, and they'd have no idea why you were attacking them.

It would make ganking more dangerous with longer lasting consequences. I'd even go so far as to agree that serial gankers should be attackable without provocation or CONCORD recourse in highsec systems.


and it's ideas like these which is WHY i originally posted this subject lol, it encourages debate and discussion and from that comes ideas.
which alter eve and improve upon it :)
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-06-27 17:12:25 UTC
Bad idea is bad.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-06-27 17:14:46 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.


Still don't see the problem here...
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#111 - 2012-06-27 17:17:34 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:


Pak Narhoo wrote:
Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies:
- High sec isn't supposed to be safe.
“High[ly] secure space” ≠ safe

Yup, sure, that doesn’t sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro.

It makes perfect sense. Its meant toe be safer (a relative term), not safe (an absolute term).

Also, with proper precautions taken, HS is one of the safest places to be, aside from empty systems.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#112 - 2012-06-27 17:19:35 UTC
why cargo scanners are only usefull in high sec...

just get a rokh and max tank it... you should be fine...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#113 - 2012-06-27 17:23:15 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)

Get rid of NPC corp hauling, then we'll talk about suicide ganking.

Until then, HTFU.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#114 - 2012-06-27 17:29:52 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Oh? Is that so? Well, then I’m sure you won’t have trouble naming any.
Yes. A bunch of them have been named already: collecting intel on war targets (current and, especially, future ones); market research; and, of course, scaring the bejesus out of your competitors and trick them into taking a longer route while you get the once-in-a-life-time opportunity sale.

Quote:
“High[ly] secure space” ≠ safe

Yup, sure, that doesn’t sound completely retarded or anything. Right on, bro.
Sure doesn't. It's called high sec, not complete sec. It's not meant to be safe.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-06-27 17:53:00 UTC
Is it just me or does the OP just disregard the fact that there's a chance the loot you scan doesn't doesn't drop?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#116 - 2012-06-27 17:57:00 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Is it just me or does the OP just disregard the fact that there's a chance the loot you scan doesn't doesn't drop?
I think he tries to neatly sweep it under the rug with “the formula for costs for ganking a freighter”.

…never mind that the “formula” is just a statistical average and that the wrath of the RNG is a risk that cannot be removed.
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#117 - 2012-06-27 18:48:11 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Now watch as I carefully dismantle this entire argument.

Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.


Knowing what ammo types are in the cargohold of your war targets is valuable intel.

What else ya got?


Early in my trading days I would sit on Jita undock with a passive targeter and scanner to see what goods are moving in and out.

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Doddy
Excidium.
#118 - 2012-06-27 22:13:50 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Freighter logistics is already pretty game breaking for trade and industry, why remove the only real control?

Care to explain just how it's game breaking? You can't even raise a freighter's resistances. It'll take damage faster than anything else, even a shuttle.


What does its resistances have to do with logistics??!? Its cargo hold is what is gamebreaking, if you cant see how the hi sec local economy has been completely ruined by freighters (aka the jita effect) then you are just slow.
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#119 - 2012-06-27 22:14:49 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
How about... No!


Not empty quoting.


agreeing with these fine lads on this particular point
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#120 - 2012-06-28 00:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Doddy wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Freighter logistics is already pretty game breaking for trade and industry, why remove the only real control?

Care to explain just how it's game breaking? You can't even raise a freighter's resistances. It'll take damage faster than anything else, even a shuttle.


What does its resistances have to do with logistics??!? Its cargo hold is what is gamebreaking, if you cant see how the hi sec local economy has been completely ruined by freighters (aka the jita effect) then you are just slow.

I think he thinks that stock resists make it somehow low EHP.

He apparently doesn't realise that EHP takes resists into account, or that JFs (which are invulnerable in high, low and null*) have 300-350k EHP. Which is considerably more than most pirate faction HG-slave fitted battleships.

*Presuming pilot is not a complete idiot.

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