Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know I know, no double posting, BUT the OP did not think of the actual situation of this module: it should only be applicable / actively allow tracking if the target uses a cloaking device. Since most ships that are not cloaked can be found through patience and work, I would suggest the original idea of 'tracking' the target for 15 minutes only be applicable to cloaked ships.

As it stands right now, cloaked ships are rather save once they manage to disappear. So why not have a ship that is specifically designed to 'interfere' with their cloaking for a set duration, giving the cloaker a must to pay attention afterward and those that are chasing him time to try and catch him.

That would eb the only situation it would be worth having in the game, for me at least.

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What admission is that? So your saying a solo pvper without a probe launcher is being lazy because he cannot locate a guy in a safespot? Thats ridiculous.

I've explained that this module is designed for the solopvper that cannot be expected to fit tank, DPS, point AND probe launcher on his ship.



Another great example of what I keep saying. Your giving examples of reasons why you think this module wont work well.

NONE of your examples explain how it is abuseable/exploitable. Only that you think it wont work well

Please comeback with a post that you've thought about thoroughly so I dont keep having to repeat my points over and over again.

To clarify: Imagine I'm a DRF player. But not just a DRF player, I'm really a goon alt that joined DRF to provide intel and partake in lots of clandestine activities. Hostilities happen, fast forward to battle day... Before fleets meet on grid, I warp to planet one, and let my goon spymaster tag my ship. This was what I tried to imply with: "You tag your spy in the enemy fleet".

I know I've been tagged, but no one else does. I then rejoin my DRF brothers, and then when the DRF fleet is in a vulnerable spot.... I tell my spymaster and the goon fleet can warp right on top of the DRF fleet, and nuke'em... This is the real benefit this module brings to the game....

I don't see much use in it otherwise...

No, your application was a giant I WANT A SECOND GANK CHANCE. Which I contest already exists in the form of probes.... which you seem to ignore / refuse because it takes SP investment and actual patience.

FireT, before you speak anymore you should go back to my post where I responded to every single point of yours and called it out as being not relevant, and not exploitative.

Do that now.



I'm sorry FireT. But now I have to start getting quite blunt, since you are clearly ignoring every point I am making.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SKILL POINTS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PATIENCE. You just cannot do both.

As an interesting side note I found this thread about 'warp trials'. It suggests the ability to follow a target into warp.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13226&find=unread

But...it won't *work*.

If you can lock someone long enough to cycle a module, you can point them. if you can point them, why put a tracker on them?

Also, if you're dumb enough to warp blind to wherever a guy who KNOWS he's being pursued goes, you're an idiot. If I get a tracker on me, where do you think I'll go: a safe spot to wait to die or a shoot-on-sight POS and cloak up? What if I have a friendly fleet that I warp to?

No competent gang would rely on such a module.



Actually, you can. I've done it.

But still, the point remains: you're asking to be able to lock someone and cycle a module on them so they can't get away from you and hide. That exists: it's called a warp disruptor.

Both of these can be answered by the scenario I described earlier about the solo sleipnir hunting targets. Sometimes the sleipnir gets outnumbered as enemies come to defend the target hes trying to kill, and so he needs to run. He can tag a target before he runs, to warp back to it later.



Good point, never thought about it. Thats a risk. But thats where a good solopvper with a ship tracker would need to use his brain as well. He would have to find the target of his on directional scan first - no towers or station - THEN choose to warp to his target. See? You still need to think things through, this module isnt a win all module.



How many times will I have to repeat myself? This module is designed for the solo pvper.

Haha FireT you really are a great laugh. Scenario's are used in everyday life to help people understand points people are trying to make. All of a sudden my scenario is MY ONE SHIP THAT I CAN ONLY FLY AND NOTHING ELSE. HAHAHAH

Notice how I specifically quote every single point you make in every post and then provide a counter argument? Its because im looking at getting to the bottom of the technical application of the module.

You on the otherhand never go back and continue to explain your point. You just forget your last posts and the counter-posts I have suggested and instead you reel off a pathetic insult at me about being stupid and then continue to make more different and random points. If no points at all.

You, are the biggest troll. And your posts continue to insult me. 'Narcissitic', 'selfish', 'your beloved sleipnir', 'stubborn troll', 'ignorant'.

All of these words just in your last post alone. Thanks for being mature. Now I would appreciate you make no more contributions to this thread or I will contact mods. Your last post was pure insulting and offered no development to the module in question.

Goodbye FireT.

EDIT to respond to FireT's 'ninja edit'


This thread was meant to be a discussion about how the module might work. It was meant to be a debate. A negotiation, of how such a module might exist. What properties it might have. This included all the points you just said about timers and range and such.

You, however, completely missed the point of this thread and instead used it as some sort of shooting ground to mock the idea and not provide any good feedback for it. Thanks for not adding any valuable input FireT.

Second of all solo pvp IS dead. And its for reasons such as 'you cant find a ship without a probing alt' - kinda the whole reason why I invented this module. If you are asking 'why you offer a module for a dead horse'? then you need to get the hell off this thread, because it aint for you. This module is trying to revive solo pvp. If you only just worked that out.. WOW.

I will not entertain you any longer. I have answered all these already.

I think you have problems.

However, thank you for posting. Goodbye FireT.

Goodbye. Your idea should have been this:

New module: Tracker, a mid slot module that allows you to follow a marked target through a system for a set period of time. Due to the unique tracking frequency the target has an active timer counter showing the remaining time before it elapses.

Type: mid slot

Length of time: 15 minutes of having the chance to pursue and try to hunt down target.

Limitations: the target is ware of being marked. The tracker only functions within the same solar system. If the target leaves the system the tracker does not work (though finding the same target with the tracker in an adjacent system would allow for continued pursued. Similarly the tracker does not work if target is within a station (station hull density and internal communications prevent signals from leaving the station).

Counter: The current tracker does not have an active counter / module counter except the time limit.

Any suggestions ladies and gentlemen?

Actually another question: would this be limited to only yourself or your fleet too, if you have a fleet?

What about cloaked ships? How would they be affected?