EVE General Discussion

I know where the larger alliance's players loyalties lie. Can't say the same thing about the anonymous CCL ISDs.

well, thank you CCP and Navigator for creating this thread.

This is how community issues should be discussed, not in the petition stack

I personally have issues with community members moderating the forums of a for-profit company as Ruby pointed out.
Considering the meta gaming, general tinfoilhattery, and backstabbing that goes on in EvE I think this is just a whole lot of trouble waiting to happen (no offense to the few ISDs I haven't offended yet)

Also I just can't see how needing 2 sets of babysitters -one for the babies and one for the sitters- is making the situation better for CCP.

One thing I'll note is that these lovely forums come with a nifty report tool, if the community feels that the forums are out of hand we are free to use that button, I can't again see the value of preemptive strikes against threads and their on topic content because a mod thinks someone may be offended or feel abused, if they felt that way they can report the thread.

The ISD should be there (if at all) to back up the community and assist it an maintaining a suitable level of community interaction, with its good points and its bad points.

I've said time and time again if the noise on the forums is getting to out of control its probably for a reason, and probably because you failed to please the customers, and rolling out some sort of riot squad to beat down dissent is going to get you nowhere fast. Otherwise I feel EvE-O is a vibrant fun forum where the metagame is king and even the useless spam posts are sometimes worth reading.

So what if we rag on each other and call each other stupid poopyheads? in a game where you can lose a year's worth of profit just by undocking I would hope most of us have developed a somewhat thicker skin than being offended because someone calls you a shitposting pubbie, Especially when you are in fact being a shitposting pubbie.

Another point is that the poison of forums is political, racial and religious discussion. You guys did good with religion and race, but you went and opened the door to politics with the CSM. Now in Iceland you may be out of the loop as to the insanely rabid and venomous political discourse that both your American and British players are force fed 24/7 via the mass media, but I'd say without a doubt politics is whats ruining the place, when you opened the door you opened it to a steadily evolving and rapidly degrading public discourse played out in the papers and cable news opinion sections, and its only going to get worse. We all bring this baggage in with us, and it pollutes the community. This is why I also advocate the end of the CSM in it's current form.

Yes I can see the point of view of the marketing department that the forums should seem friendlier, but the simple fact will be that they are not friendlier, anymore than eve is a happy friendly little jolly time farm game.
People will come in and post some dreck because they fail to grasp a mechanic or concept (I've done it plenty of times) and someone else will tell them they are terrible at life, no matter how many mods you have standing by. Sure its a great idea, but the reality is EvE just isn't that kind of place, and the forums are simply a mirror of that place.

I think my main point is if you wish to continue on this course, your game plan should be to maintain order and not go gallivanting off on some holy crusade.

One last note, I support the call that any personnel involved in the civil action last night should receive amnesty as they were fighting for their community against a perceived threat

Dunning Kruger effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

You have committed--would have committed, even if you had never set pen to paper, or finger to key--the essential crime that contains all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, we call it. Thoughtcrime is not a thing that can be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later we are bound to get you.

As I've told you before Jade, you're in no position to be throwing stones on this issue since the same happened to CCP Sreegs in his former job after he clashed with you on these very forums and the CSM.

You're trying to have your cake and eat it: Somebody goes to your employer and tells them embarrassing stories about what you supposedly do on the internet, you yell from every rooftop that its a Goonswarm conspiracy and we as an alliance are collectively to blame. Somebody does the same to Sreegs and you throw your hands up and say 'nothing to do with me or my alliance, could have been anyone, its a big internet out there'.

Sounds like a plan.

Please just do not cut, snip and delete too much in C&P as it is a habitat of endemic species that adapted this section of the forums.
If you destroy their habitat a species either dies out or it will find other places to dwell...like GD...and nobody wants to read certain things in GD...
What happens in C&P stays in C&P...capisce? (Wow that was even more RP than Eve Fiction contains)

How about two seperated group of ISDs? One who specialized on forum behaviour second in game?

Maybe im wrong but i think some ISDs are overloaded with stres form playes havaviour in game, even they volunteer doesn't mean they are robots with undestroyable psyche.

They work realy hard in game they have a lot to sort, we know even in rooki chanels here a lot trols and spamers, any one thinking about this aspect of thier work ? Maybe they become very obsesed and pointed - strictness to players, and by this reason they lock more legitimate therads ?

That sounds like you're arguing that the ISDs should be openly metagaming because not laying bare their motivations is somehow worse? I really can't see the sense in that.

I think it's best for everyone if the eve-o forums remain the "go to" place for eve-related news and informations.
Finding everything in one place encourages the different subcommunities to intermingle and exchange ideas more easily, finding everything on CCP's eve-online.com makes it easier for new players to find relevant information and get a realistic impression of the eve community.

The existence of failheap-challenge, backstage, ... and especially the complete loss of null-sec news & discussion to kugu should serve as a warning example to CCP.

These "other forums" have a crucial relationship with eve-o: they are competitors and substitutes born out of eve-o's failures.

In my opinion the biggest simple improvements to forum moderation would be:

* rephrase any offending statements in an acceptable manner; the recent use of ----snip---- and ----edit---- often leaves posts incomprehensible.

* don't lock derailed threads, remove the derailing posts instead.

* make sure you understand the thread/post before taking any moderation action.
It's extremely frustrating to see a reasonable discussion get locked because the moderator did obviously only skim the "offending" posts, failed to understand sarcasm or context, ...

In short, moderators, please, don't let your actions be determined by laziness or hurry.
Try to teach by example and aim to reduce collateral damage above everything else.